Taking NPA advice too far?

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I agree, why is no one talking about position or the Ace?

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Because that ace is dirtier than unprotected sex with a Chinese woman who has unstoppable fits of coughing. IMHO.

NT

[SofaCoach]

I'm ok with the flop raise, it could buy you a free look at the river and clean up your Ace outs by getting a A9 or AT to fold. The 3-bet is ugly but an easy call. But you gotta fold the turn when he bets into you.

[Tom Spec]

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I'm ok with the flop raise, it could buy you a free look at the river and clean up your Ace outs by getting a A9 or AT to fold. The 3-bet is ugly but an easy call. But you gotta fold the turn when he bets into you.

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12-1 on a draw to the nut straight; I can't fold the turn for 1 bet.

[jmark]

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agree, why is no one talking about position or the Ace

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Is it really worth a raise and risking a 3-bet to try and get the button?

PS with everyone playing any face card, you're surely behind.

[Jeff]

Raising the flop with a gutshot draw, and an ace high? Quite simply, you are beat here. I'd check or bet the flop, and fold to a raise. You have 4 outs, that's about a 1 in 12 shot of hitting your straight on the turn. The flop quite possibly gave someone an OESD.


With a large pot, I will bet, raise, reraise, and even cap with the nut flush draw on an unpaired board (4+ players, looking for them on a LAGgy table, really). This is because I'd be making money on all the money I put into the pot in the long run.

To raise a gutshot, you'd want probably 8 other people in the pot, and this play will put variance through the roof.


I will play a gutshot with 2 overcards, backdoor flush draw, or a pair, but I won't touch one with just one overcard that is likely poisoned (other straight draw or two pair).
Raising to try to get another ace to fold is an idea, but I don't think it's a good one, you are likely behind now, and continuing with one poisoned overcard and a gutshot draw. People with straight draws and pairs will likely stay in, even if it's only a gutshot.

Implied odds here might make up for some of the bad chance you have of hitting your draw, but you will also get hit with superior hands often enough (runner runner flushes, full houses that even if you make your hand, you will possibly lose money in the long term playing this hand.

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Is it really worth a raise and risking a 3-bet to try and get the button?

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I'm not sure but I think its something to consider.

[uuDevil]

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Is it really worth a raise and risking a 3-bet to try and get the button?

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I'm not sure but I think its something to consider.

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From what Ed said, the raise is not likely to have the desired effect with this board. Change the 9d on the flop to the 5d, and it makes more sense.

[HajiShirazu]

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I agree, why is no one talking about position or the Ace?

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Because that ace is dirtier than unprotected sex with a Chinese woman who has unstoppable fits of coughing. IMHO.

NT

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Very nice.
I always thought that the problem with raising here was that since I don't have a K or a T and these are cards that most people play, one of my opponents likely does, and since I'm playing against opponents who will never fold either of these cards, raising is just putting more money in the pot with a weak hand that has relatively minimal chance of improvement.