Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars

ipp147 · #1 09-13-2005, 03:15 PM

Barry Greenstein is playing in the WCOOP event on Stars.

Greenstein = Crazyplayer

crazyplayer: for those watching, Chris is an extremely nice guy and a better player than when he won in '03

Money800: ty barry

crazyplayer: I say it because I notice some people like to pick on him and dis what he accomplish
crazyplayer: ed

and then...

crazyplayer: I refused to watch superstars after the first episode after Konik's result oriented comments

Money800: i havent wathced it much myself

Tea_Bagger · #2 09-13-2005, 03:21 PM

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crazyplayer: I refused to watch superstars after the first episode after Konik's result oriented comments

Money800: i havent wathced it much myself

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Ya...Konik is a tool. I liked him at first until I realized he has no idea what he's talking about. Although, compared to Chad, he's a f***ing genius.

betgo · #3 09-13-2005, 03:38 PM

Momeymaker is a good player, but I can see why he didn't watch PSI2.

Sykes · #4 09-13-2005, 03:38 PM

Fine. Moneymaker is a compelety better player today than 2 years ago. I really hope so, since he's had 2 years playing with the best players in the world.

This doesn't change the fact that he was insanely lucky to win it and gives hope to average joes that one day they could be champions.

beset7 · #5 09-13-2005, 03:41 PM

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his doesn't change the fact that we were insanely lucky that he won it and gave hope to average joes that one day they could be champions

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fyp

betgo · #6 09-13-2005, 03:51 PM

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Fine. Moneymaker is a compelety better player today than 2 years ago. I really hope so, since he's had 2 years playing with the best players in the world.

This doesn't change the fact that he was insanely lucky to win it and gives hope to average joes that one day they could be champions.

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I am sure Moneymaker's game is much more polished than when he won.

From what I can tell from Moneymaker's book, the TV version, and reports, Moneymaker did not play well as far as starting hands, standard plays, etc. However, he made some excellent calls and bluffs. Someone who plays aggressively and makes good reads, but doesn't play in a standard way, could be a difficult opponent.

Obviously, he did get insanely lucky, as did anyone who won such a big tournament. However, you also need a little bit of ability.

Army Eye · #7 09-13-2005, 07:14 PM

I'd like to know how he was insanely lucky to win it.

Tea_Bagger · #8 09-13-2005, 07:38 PM

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I'd like to know how he was insanely lucky to win it.

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Two key hands off the top of my head (can't recall the exact details but I DO know he sucked out big time):

-Rivering a higher boat (Qs full of As) to Ivey's boat (9s full of Qs)

-Turning or rivering a set of 8s against Brenes' AA

Can someone confirm these and please add to the list?

fnurt · #9 09-13-2005, 07:58 PM

The Ivey hand has been discussed to death. Ivey hit a 2-outer on the turn to take the lead against MM's trip queens; MM then hit one of his 7 outs on the river to re-suck out. It's absurd to say that Moneymaker was "insanely" lucky on this hand.

KramerTM · #10 09-13-2005, 08:01 PM

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I'd like to know how he was insanely lucky to win it.

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Two key hands off the top of my head (can't recall the exact details but I DO know he sucked out big time):

-Rivering a higher boat (Qs full of As) to Ivey's boat (9s full of Qs)

-Turning or rivering a set of 8s against Brenes' AA

Can someone confirm these and please add to the list?

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