Some interesting hands

xorbie · #1 11-03-2005, 07:36 PM

Some tough hands from today.

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MP ($459.90)
Hero ($424.20)
Button ($177.25)
SB ($619.40)
BB ($413.10)
UTG ($400)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $28, 1 fold, Hero calls $16.

Flop: ($64) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($64) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $35, Hero raises to $100, SB raises to $165, Hero calls $65.

River: ($394) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB calls $424.40 (All-In), Hero calls $229.20 (All-In).

Final Pot: $1047.60

Eh? Sure seems like QQ to me. Villain took a while before min 3-betting the turn.

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CO ($262.53)
Button ($595.90)
SB ($374.60)
Hero ($469)
UTG ($747.25)
MP ($373)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($16) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($16) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, UTG folds, CO calls $15, SB folds.

River: ($46) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, CO raises to $70, Hero calls $40.

Final Pot: $186

3-bet the river?

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MP ($1304.10)
Hero ($464)
SB ($496.60)
BB ($678.20)
UTG ($191.47)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Turn: ($70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $35, Hero raises to $120, BB calls $609.20 (All-In), Hero calls $310 (All-In).

River: ($1144.20) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1144.20

Is it better to raise the flop here? I feel like turn raise is obviously more likely to fold out A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a set, whereas a flop raise will still get the most out of another flush, but will obviously lose against a bluffing villain.

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UTG ($80.30)
Hero ($503)
SB ($376.50)
BB ($385.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, BB calls $14, UTG calls $14.

Flop: ($56) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($56) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $20, UTG folds, Hero calls $20.

River: ($96) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $75, Hero raises to $150, BB calls $272.60 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $593.60

This one just sucks. Bet the flop? Fold the turn? I think just calling the river is obvious, wondering about earlier streets.

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Hero ($899.30)
BB ($427)
UTG ($440.55)
MP ($741.10)
Button ($1318.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: ($8) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BB calls $7.

River: ($22) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BB raises to $40, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $102

Preflop limp? Flop check? Turn bet? 3-bet this river?

orange · #2 11-03-2005, 07:59 PM

hand 1: Played well IMO. There is a slim chance Villan has QQ, but with all his funky mini-raising, its hard to put him on a hand.

hand 2: I think you will see a donked 8 make the same play. Again, I think this hand was played well- your bet on the turn was good IMO.

hand 3: villan has either a flopped set (which he thinks is good by the turn) or a smaller flush. Your flop call was very deceptive and if villan will push here with a set/Top 2/baby flush/whatever, I like it. My standard is to raise the flop, simply for protection, but occassionally I like to call here.

hand 4: is very intresting IMO. Flop check is good- there are arguments for betting, but you don't want to be c/r-ed off your huge draw. Bet/call a c/r is somewhat messy- what is your play when the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] comes? BB either has a baby flush or a K- I think flat-calling the river is best, but you already stated that. Turn can be argued for a fold, but I don't think I'm ready to give up my [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] draw yet. My opponent most likely has a K, and if he has a baby flush, we can still stack him.

hand 5: I bet this flop nearly every time. I push if raised- your hand is a monster. Pushing the river can be argued- IMO, villan holds maybe A3/A6/A8, or another Ax hand. I think your hand is definitely best here.

just my opinion.

Go_Blue88 · #3 11-03-2005, 08:09 PM

Hand 1--Your line is fine.

Hand 2-- 3-bet river for sure.

Hand 3--well played.

Hand 4--I'm not sure about this one. I'm having trouble putting Villian on a hand. I dunno, your line works up until the river. I'd probably fold the turn though.

Hand 5-- This is pretty read dependent. But, if you go through the usual thought process of the Villian, then your call seems fine.

Bukem_ · #4 11-03-2005, 08:57 PM

Hand 1 you are toast. Getting away is another thing.

Hand 2 wtf easy 3 bet.

Hand 3 is fine.

Hand 4 just call or be prepared to go with it.

5. Just calling ok I guess. River cr might be really tricky. Bet that flop.

Malachii · #5 11-03-2005, 08:59 PM

Hand 1: Fine. Looks like QQ to me too, but could also be AA or KK. I think one of the problems with your aggressive style is that you get a lot of people to overplay their hands against you, which would make folding something like this impossible.

Hand 2: Push. There's a lot of money in the pot relative to the cutoff's stack

Hand 3: I usually raise flop. I am never folding here.

Hand 4: Pot flop. I'm happy to get all in here. I'm not sure if I like the river play or not. Folding to his 3bet is good.

Hand 5: Make it $200 on the river. Maybe even push if you think he'll call it.

Malachii · #6 11-03-2005, 09:03 PM

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hand 5: I bet this flop nearly every time. I push if raised - your hand is a monster

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Look at the stack sizes and then consider the potsize.

Go_Blue88 · #7 11-03-2005, 10:08 PM

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Hand 5: Make it $200 on the river. Maybe even push if you think he'll call it.

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The thing is though, Xorbie played this hand exactly like he has a flush. What worse hands can you see calling a reraise or push on the river?

orange · #8 11-03-2005, 10:13 PM

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hand 5: I bet this flop nearly every time. I push if raised - your hand is a monster

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Look at the stack sizes and then consider the potsize.

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Didn't realize stacks were that large. In that case, I like potting the flop, and calling most any raises.

ericlambi · #9 11-03-2005, 10:23 PM

Hand 1: I doubt I could ever fold this, but the re-raise pre-flop puts his range to AA/KK/QQ/AK. His flop check is incredibly suspicious. That river bet is so huge I think you could consider folding, but you can't fault a call.

Hand 2: Don't 3-bet river.

Hand 3: I like your line. If the villain has a made hand that isn't the flush, you will not get any more money out of him if you start raising big on the flop. If he has a flush already, the money will go in one way or another.

Hand 4: Holy crap dude, don't check that flop. Definitely don't fold the turn for a $20 bet into $50 pot. Definitely call the river. I don't know if I could fold getting 4-1 with the nut flush here.

Hand 5: I guess you could raise preflop. I wouldn't do it, but whatever. River 3-bet is a really tough question . . . anxious to read others thoughts. I say go for it, but I can remember some big hands where I've raised in spots like this just to get pushed in and see the nut flush. Then I puke thinking about all the money I could save if I'd just called. Okay, I like the call.

Malachii · #10 11-04-2005, 12:02 AM

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The thing is though, Xorbie played this hand exactly like he has a flush. What worse hands can you see calling a reraise or push on the river?

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I think the flop check was extremely deceptive. His opponent probably thinks that Xorbie leads out with a flush draw... I could see Villain calling a 3 bet with something like A8, which is a very possible holding for Villain given the line he took.