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Old 06-20-2005, 08:43 PM
Sponger15SB Sponger15SB is offline
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Default I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee
Level:7 Blinds(150/300)

Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: Sponger ( $2310 )
Seat 5: Anamik ( $1900 )
Seat 6: 2+2er ( $2760 )
Seat 7: rolos13 ( $1030 )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sponger [ Xd Xs ]
rolos13 is all-In [1030]
Sponger folds.
Anamik folds.
2+2er calls [730].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Jc, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
rolos13 shows [ Kc, Ts ] high card ace.
2+2er shows [ 3s, 7c ] a pair of sevens.
2+2er wins 2210 chips from the main pot with a pair of sevens.
rolos13 finished in fourth place.
rolos13 has left the table.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:48 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

He has pot odds to call even if he knows you have AK.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Nick B. Nick B. is offline
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

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He has pot odds to call even if he knows you have AK.

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He definitely couldn't have a pair.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

I am pretty sure "miffed" means "irriated." Do you mean "confused"? I am also. I don't like this call at all.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

Why were you miffed?
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:57 PM
stupidsucker stupidsucker is offline
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

I don't think the call was all that bad... Perfect? no probably not, but I wasnt there so I dont know the mechanics of how the table was playing.

Perhaps he was multitabling and made a fast call based on pot odds. He had + chip EV to call and getting the chip edge going into the money also has its advanatges. Losing 730 chips hardly makes a dent in him.

The small stack really wont be small enough (after a successful steal) to push with any 2 against the other 2 opponents, nor will his stack be a tower if he folds.

In short

If he calls and loses he hardly loses anything
If he calls and wins he gains 100% chance for ITM and a very nice chip lead going into it, with position on you.

It's not like you were a shoe in for ITM if he folded.

Is my sarcasm detector on tilt?
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:58 PM
Sponger15SB Sponger15SB is offline
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

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Is my sarcasm detector on tilt?

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No I'm being serious.
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Old 06-20-2005, 09:14 PM
stupidsucker stupidsucker is offline
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

I second guessed thinking, but then using the SNG-A(btw we need an offical nick for this)

Anyways the tool shows the call to be slightly negative if you put the Allin push range 22+, and any two broadway.

The tool doesnt take in consideration the stealing power and the extra strength gained from the big stack he will have going ITM.

Cant say for sure he really thought it all through, but at a quick glance this is a pot odds call good enough to risk it.

I get miffed all the time.. allllll the time. vent away sir.
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Old 06-20-2005, 09:18 PM
stupidsucker stupidsucker is offline
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

not to mention that people will think twice about pushing on his BB again.

Its very possible he knew you would hate this, and was thinking more long term then short term. If this were 5 handed it would have been a perfect play.

I like his call. Expect to see it from me too. If he knows how to play ITM properly then he has made a good call both chip EV and $ EV.
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Old 06-20-2005, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: I\'m completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

oh my god this has nothing to do with gigabet it has to do with a remarkable concept called "POT ODDS". There are some other small facotrs involved but mainly this is simply a pot odds problem.
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