pot odds or tourney standing??

[DarrenX]

What, to call here or in general? Folding leaves me over 2000. Calling and winning all but guarantees me ITM, but odds are I'm not winning this one, probably up against 3-4 overs if not an overpair. I'm not denying the odds are sweet, but is it worth losing solid standing?

[ZBTHorton]

2000 chips at 75/150 is not solid! And your not guarenteeing yourself a money finish either.

[DarrenX]

No, I'm saying winning with TT here would pretty much guarantee an ITM finisht. 2000 by no means guarantees me anything.

I'm severely hung over, and probably need to revisit this on a better day. I went with the odds and called, but wondered if it was so clear cut. The poll so far pretty much shows it is. Thanks for your replies.

[DarrenX]

There's an all in and a caller... easy call for me if there's only one pusher, but there's two here.

[ZBTHorton]

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There's an all in and a caller... easy call for me if there's only one pusher, but there's two here.

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That makes me wanna call even more.

[DarrenX]

Well, in this instance, the second caller doesn't really mean I'm beat since he's a donk. What if the donk pushed and the solid player overpushed... make a difference?

[ZBTHorton]

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Well, in this instance, the second caller doesn't really mean I'm beat since he's a donk. What if the donk pushed and the solid player overpushed... make a difference?

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Nope.

[ThrillFactor]

fold and you are left with t2050

call and you have 37% equity in a t3600 pot given the following ranges


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

183,637,171,872 games 282.000 secs 651,195,644 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 37.3081 % [ 00.37 00.01 ] { TT }
Hand 2: 40.2096 % [ 00.39 00.01 ] { AA-88, AKs-AJs, AKo-AQo }
Hand 3: 22.4823 % [ 00.22 00.01 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K9s, QJs-Q9s, JTs, AKo-A2o, KQo-K9o, QJo-Q9o, JTo }


That equity equals t1332 plus the t1200 or so you have behind = t2500+ = clear call


Even if you tighten their ranges further:


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

105,866,072,928 games 161.562 secs 655,265,922 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 35.2805 % [ 00.35 00.01 ] { TT }
Hand 2: 43.7864 % [ 00.42 00.01 ] { AA-TT, AKs-AJs, AKo-AQo }
Hand 3: 20.9331 % [ 00.20 00.01 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, AKo-A2o }



it's still an easy call by the math.


I do seem to always lose these tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[DarrenX]

Your a good man, Thrill, figuring that for me... ok, I'm convinced!

[ThrillFactor]

Actually, I had to do it for myself. My first thought was that you don't win this one enough. Even after hanging around these forums for 3 years, I still don't automatically believe everyone when they jump on the easy call/easy push wagon.