Flop raising with position

[onegymrat]

15/30 live with a full kill. Both hands are not kill pots. Game is average for California.
Hand 1: Two limpers to me with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. BB checks. Two to the flop.

FLOP: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks. EP (fairly tight player with tricky tendencies) bets. MP (a loose, weak player) calls. I raise. BB folds. EP and MP both call. Three to the turn.

TURN: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I bet. EP thinks a while giving me the beady eye look and reluctantly folds. MP calls. Headsup.

RIVER: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

MP checks, I bet. MP calls.

Hand 2: One limper to me in EP, I raise with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. One cold-caller, limper and BB (same weak player from above) calls. Four to the flop.

FLOP: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets. Limper calls. I raise. Cold-caller folds. BB calls. Limper folds. Headsup.

TURN: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB checks, I bet. BB check-raises. I call.

RIVER: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB bets. I call.

[sandbagger223]

I don't post very often, but I want to give this a shot.

Hand 1 - I bet the river here also. He paid you off with A6? Nothing beats you here except 97. Trips would surely get a raise in on the turn no?

Hand 2 - I am LAGGY, but I would 3 bet his CR. I would put him on A 10 and charge him. 55 is possible also no? I think a flopped str8 (Q 10s) is unlikely, as he only called your flop raise. Is he loose enough to call PF with 67s? These are the only hands you are behind to, and you have outs to catch yourself. If he caps and fires the river, I guess crying call? meh.


RB

[Gabe]

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15/30 live with a full kill. Both hands are not kill pots. Game is average for California.


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Where was this? Palm Springs?

[onegymrat]

Hi Gabe,

San Manuel Indian Casino in Highland off the 215. It's way out in the boonies. Only one game running. Wait was 70 minutes.

Saw you playing the 40 at Commerce on Friday. I was having the worst session ever at the 20 or else I would have said hello.

[Manzanita]

onegymrat,

Why did you raise the flop in your first hand? If the pot was bigger I could see making a move here, but given the description of your two opponents it seems to be a negative EV play.

-- Manzanita

[onegymrat]

Yeah, hence the post. Main reason was that EP frequently bet into unraised flops and took them down without a showdown. At the same time, being that I wasn't in many pots (unless he had a monster), I didn't fear a 3-bet and a free river was almost certain. I was surprised by the turn card and had to bet to represent, while folding to a raise of course.

[private joker]

In hand 1 I'd like the flop raise better with one club on the board but I don't mind it here. Nice hand.

In hand 2 I don't mind passively calling down for fear of QT/T7. Weak players like this usually don't checkraise, and if they do it means the nuts a lot of the time.

What were you doing out in Highland?

[onegymrat]

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What were you doing out in Highland?

[/ QUOTE ] Had to shake off the bad beats from Friday night at Commerce. Worked like a charm.

Hand 2: Not so sure calling his turn check-raise was all correct still, regardless of what he held. He was truly the mark at the table, but a check-raise from him was a shocker, almost as if his mere flop call of my raise was to trap the limper in between us.