Libs, Dems: What should we do about Miers?

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>>When the full picture is looked at objectively, this was arguably the greatest travesty of justice in the 20th century<<

To clarify here, I am speaking of the United States judiciary. Moreover, while there may have been instances of more blatant or flagrant abuses of Justice in the history of the court in this century, none has had more far-reaching consequences than the 2000 presidential selection.

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7 justices found that the recount was unconstitutional. If the recount is unconstitutional, then there must be a remedy. Oral arguments began Dec. 11 and the Electoral College (by law) must vote Dec. 18. And the state had to choose its six electors six days before the 18th (the next day). So either SCOTUS could conduct a new statewide recount and break the law or go with the certified results. 5 justices agreed to do the latter.

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When the full picture is looked at objectively, this was arguably the greatest travesty of justice in the 20th century, and equivalent in historical terms to the beginning of the fall of the Roman Republic.

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This one statement alone proves that you are not looking at this objectively.

[Shaun]

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It's sickening to watch how many people have attempted to rationalize, excuse, and use revisionism and distorted reasoning


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You're right. It IS sickening.

[Shaun]

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>>It's sickening to watch how many people have attempted to rationalize, excuse, and use revisionism and distorted reasoning to support the Florida Supreme Court's flagrant and appalling hijacking of American democracy in the 2000 election. <<

Yes. It's disgraceful that the Florida Supreme Court had the audacity to rule that ballots cast should actually be counted.

How dare the Florida Supreme Court interfere with a rigged election by insisting on actually counting ballots. Outrageous.

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The Supreme COurt of Florida does not make the law. The law is made by elected officials and according to that LAW, the Florida Supreme Court was WRONG to allow the continued counting of votes. If you people don't like the laws then say so and get them changed before hand- not after you LOSE according to the rules in place.

[Shaun]

Democrats lose because of theur principles. If it weren't for Ross Perot, there would not have been a Democrat as Prez since Jimmy Carter.

The current Democratic Party's "principles" are issues like gay rights, higher taxes, doing what France wants, and making sure women maintain their legal right to kill babies. These things alienate much of the populous. Do you see why?

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>>The current Democratic Party's "principles" are issues like gay rights, higher taxes, doing what France wants, and making sure women maintain their legal right to kill babies. These things alienate much of the populous. Do you see why?<<

Clownish beliefs like these are the reason why people like Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, DeLay, Santorum, and many others are rightly held in contempt and are repugnant to decent, intelligent people.

Do you see why?

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Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, DeLay, Santorum, and many others are rightly held in contempt and are repugnant to decent, intelligent people.


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How would you know? Did actually talk to some decent, intelligent people? Or did you (as I suspect) just post what you heard somewhere? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Ok where do the Democrats stand on the following:

-- Gay Rights

-- Taxes

-- Foreign Relations, the U.N., Iraq

-- Abortion


Polls have shown the majority of the country doesn't support gay marriage. I'm not saying I think that makes being anti gay marriage right but the more Democrats seem to support Gay Marriage than do Republicans is my take. Thus IMO this issue costs the Democrats votes.

The Democrats support higher taxes, look at the 2004 platform for the Democrats.

On foreign relations how long did Kerry and Biden praddle about bringing in France and the U.N. to help in Iraq during the 2004 campaign?

Which party has the most liberal stance on abortion rights?


You may align with the Democrats on all these issues but it doesn't mean that the majority of the voters do.

[Shaun]

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>>The current Democratic Party's "principles" are issues like gay rights, higher taxes, doing what France wants, and making sure women maintain their legal right to kill babies. These things alienate much of the populous. Do you see why?<<

Clownish beliefs like these are the reason why people like Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, DeLay, Santorum, and many others are rightly held in contempt and are repugnant to decent, intelligent people.

Do you see why?

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The problem is the country is not made up of largely intelligent, decent people. It is made up of largely stupid, decent people. Your party has been hijacked by the fringe and it is extremely weak because of this. You equate "decency" with the belief in a woman's "right" to kill a child before it has the chance to be born. This is not the type of logical position that sells voters on your Party.

I notice you took out the part about Perot. You must realize it is telling that the "great Clinton Presidency" only happened because a reasonably strong third party candidate stepped in and took a chunk of votes away from George Bush.

Your Party has faired poorly for a while because it has lost touch with the core demographic in this country.

You've been hijacked by weaker fringe movements at the expense of movements like labor and the Republicans are laughing all the way to the bank. The Democratic Party is constantly outplayed- they are the the fish at the table.

[Shaun]

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Ok where do the Democrats stand on the following:

-- Gay Rights

-- Taxes

-- Foreign Relations, the U.N., Iraq

-- Abortion


Polls have shown the majority of the country doesn't support gay marriage. I'm not saying I think that makes being anti gay marriage right but the more Democrats seem to support Gay Marriage than do Republicans is my take. Thus IMO this issue costs the Democrats votes.

The Democrats support higher taxes, look at the 2004 platform for the Democrats.

On foreign relations how long did Kerry and Biden praddle about bringing in France and the U.N. to help in Iraq during the 2004 campaign?

Which party has the most liberal stance on abortion rights?


You may align with the Democrats on all these issues but it doesn't mean that the majority of the voters do.

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Exactly.