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Old 12-17-2005, 07:48 PM
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Default Re: Born in the US but not American?

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If the baby is not a US citizen, then what citizenship do they have?

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Presumably their parents' citizenship.

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If the baby is abondoned (legally or illegally), then what citizenship?

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See above.

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Will other countries comply?

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I don't see how their compliance is our concern. It's OUR laws, not theirs.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:05 PM
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Not gonna happen. No chance whatsoever. Anything requiring constitutional amendment is very difficult to do. On a topic as controversial as this, there is no way the constitutional amendment happens.

Anyone thinking this actually has a chance of happeneing probably also thinks that overturning Roe v. Wade means that abortion will be illegal in the United States.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:05 PM
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I would think most would have to be paid in cash, right?

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They don't have to be paid in cash. Some are, yes. Many get checks. And like you say, "rip-off (but perfectly legal) joints" make a ton cashing their checks. And so does Western Union when they move the funds to Mexico and other points South.


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The business might pay taxes, but I don't see how anyone without a SSN could get a checking account.

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The businesses paying by check usually pay the taxes. Some just withhold and don't report. Undocumented workers usually don't have a need for checking accounts.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:14 PM
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Default Re: Born in the US but not American?

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There are MAJOR problems:
If the baby is not a US citizen, then what citizenship do they have?
If the baby is abondoned (legally or illegally), then what citizenship?
Will other countries comply?


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I doubt any of this would cause much of a problem. Most Western European countries does not grant automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country, and I'm not aware of any of the potential problems you mention occuring on a large scale.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: Born in the US but not American?

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Most Western European countries does not grant automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country

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Really? Since you said most, it would be easy for you to come up with a list of 10 countries where this happens.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: Born in the US but not American?

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Most Western European countries does not grant automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country

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Really? Since you said most, it would be easy for you to come up with a list of 10 countries where this happens.

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None of the countries I looked up now (UK, France, Germany, Holland and Switzerland) grant automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants. Add the Nordic countries and you've got your list.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: Born in the US but not American?

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If some women are having their babies in the US to get their kids citizenship, then this amendment might reduce that

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I think you are confusing the issue, usually these women are not illegal immigrants, that's a different problem.

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Of course, we all know that anybody who opposes illegal immigration is a racist zealot

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Not really, most american people oppose illegal immigration and most are not rascist zealots, but of course some people in this forum qualify [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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It is possible to oppose illegal immigration because undocumented aliens are completely vulnerable to exploitation by unscrupulous employers and have serious problems obtaining health care, education for their children, decent housing, and so forth. While illegal aliens choose to come here because they feel that they will be better off in the US even with the obstacles faced by the undocumented, it is possible for US voters to take the position that we do not want people working in the US to be exploited and hence to oppose illegal immigration. With that stance, however, must come pressure to reform the immigration laws to allow willing and needed workers and their families to come to the US legally with the protections afforded to citizens and those with green cards. Also every effort should be made by the US and Mexico to improve economic conditions for Mexicans so that they can support and educate their families at home and do not feel the need to risk their lives to come to the US to work under substandard conditions.

Being an undocumented alien working in the US is not a desirable way of life, and reform of the immigration laws is a better way of handling the situation than putting up fences for hundreds of miles through the desert and catching and deporting the same people over and over again. I don't see why that would be a racist stance.
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: Born in the US but not American?

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If the baby is abondoned (legally or illegally), then what citizenship?

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See above.

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Maybe you don't know the meaning of the word abandoned.
Generally, when babies are abandoned, their parents are unknown.
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:42 PM
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LittleOldLady-You say being an undocumented alien working in the US is not a desireable way of life? There's plenty of them here in LA making $500-$1000 a week cash, not paying taxes, using public schools and health care. Thats plenty desireable to many people.
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:53 PM
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Foreign embassies in the US are considered foreign soild right? Why don't we force hospitals to force all expectant mothers to produce verification of citizenship, and if they can't then send them on an ambulance to the nearest Mexican embassy where they can have their baby.
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