A related floater hand

Yerma · #1 10-25-2005, 01:22 AM

Here is the related hand:
Something that I'm having problems with!

Here is the hand:

Now, having seen this, apparently it is possible to push someone off of their 66 or whatever he was floating with. You just need a scare card to fall. That argues for a turn stop and go in these spots, rather than the pure power play in the related hand (or the power play in this hand). Does that sound better than what I did in the related hand?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button :(Floater) calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Floater raises, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, Floater calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Floater folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

irishpint · #2 10-25-2005, 01:35 AM

um so since you have the nuts why are we trying to push him off 66?

Shillx · #3 10-25-2005, 01:41 AM

What makes you think he is floating? When someone coldcalls I generally assume that he is donking around and is not making a strategic CC to set something up on a later street. So what gives here????

Brad

#4 10-25-2005, 01:42 AM

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What makes you think he is floating here? When someone coldcalls I generally assume that he is donking around and is not making a strategic CC to set something up on a later street. So what gives here????

Brad

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Yeah at 2/4 this is pretty uncommon. If he's doing it a lot just call him down one time to see what he's doing it with. Makes no since to put in a bunch of bets on the flop with what is likely the worst hand.

Yerma · #5 10-25-2005, 01:53 AM

The reason I think he's calling preflop with the intention of taking shots is that he cannot have flopped top pair. If he did, there would have been a showdown. Even if he flopped second pair, there probably would have been a showdown.

So what hand do you think he's got here? It wasn't worth 3-betting preflop, and it can't withstand action when broadway cards fall, but it was worth raising on that flop?

Yerma · #6 10-25-2005, 01:54 AM

This happens so often that you can't just call every one down who does it.

SCfuji · #7 10-25-2005, 02:01 AM

you put way too much money into your pots with Ace high. that is not good.

#8 10-25-2005, 02:02 AM

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This happens so often that you can't just call every one down who does it.

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That is not what I am saying.

What everyone is trying to tell you is that when you raise with AK or whatever and get a cold caller, then you miss the flop you bet they raise, that USUALLY means you are behind. So 3betting and trying to out-aggressive them is throwing money away.

What I am saying is that, if someone is being really aggressive and doing this to you a lot, you are going to have to start showing down your hands like AK or whatever to keep them honest and make sure that they're not just pushing you around.

SoftcoreRevolt · #9 10-25-2005, 02:12 AM

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The reason I think he's calling preflop with the intention of taking shots is that he cannot have flopped top pair. If he did, there would have been a showdown. Even if he flopped second pair, there probably would have been a showdown.

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And you knew it wouldn't got o a showdown during the play of the hand?

Yerma · #10 10-25-2005, 02:32 AM

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What everyone is trying to tell you is that when you raise with AK or whatever and get a cold caller, then you miss the flop you bet they raise, that USUALLY means you are behind. So 3betting and trying to out-aggressive them is throwing money away.

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Sometimes when I play a few too many hands, I lose perspective on what is and is not proper aggression.

That being said, I am seeing a lot of this: "I like to float with ATs, it is pretty. And if that board comes rags I will just pick it up from the obvious AK over there."

That everyone else on this board has the idea that this is not worth fighting over...

I think HEFAP says something about occasionally raising utg with T9s so that people can't just steal when rags flop.