83s

[Trix]

UTG raise, very loose poster call, Sb call, I call 83cc in BB.

Flop 5d4c2c, pfr bets, they both call, I CR, pfr and poster call.

Turn 5s

SB checks, I check, I suck ?, pfr checks.

River 3, SB bets, I fold..

pfr is like 40/30 over 100 hands.
SB is like 40/16, so too loose, but generally passive.

[Stefan_K]

i fold preflop

first look at it i liked the turn check, but after some thinking i aggre that a bet would have been better

the river fold is standard

[sy_or_bust]

Preflop looks awful. You need much better odds.

Your flop action is weird - did SB call, or the very loose poster? Betting the turn is OK, but the only hand you're worried about is rare, something like K8, and a normal UTG doesn't have this hand while the poster isn't folding, and you can't expect a better hand to drop on the river when you don't improve.

The river fold is fine with the 4-wheel.

[Trix]

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Your flop action is weird - did SB call, or the very loose poster?

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Both.

Were you always Scott Y. ?

[krishanleong]

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Preflop looks awful. You need much better odds.

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Do you know the odds of flopping a flush draw?

Krishan

[Derek123]

I know preflop discussions arent interesting, but is 7-1 really enough to call with any two suited?

[krishanleong]

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I know preflop discussions arent interesting, but is 7-1 really enough to call with any two suited?

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Do you know the odds of flopping a flush draw? And I'm not trying to be a jerk. If you don't know, you really should. Knowing it is basically 3/4 of the way to deciding whether preflop is correct.

Krishan

[ghostface]

5-1? Same as a set.

[cartman]

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I know preflop discussions arent interesting, but is 7-1 really enough to call with any two suited?

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Yes. It is way more than enough in my opinion. I have been calling with any two suited in the BB for one bet regardless of the number of opponents for over 150K hands now. That means I am often only getting around 3.5 to 1. Granted that you never have enough sample size to know, my results indicate that the absolute worst suited hands are a toss up and for all the rest defending is clearly better than folding.

Cartman

[bobbyi]

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Do you know the odds of flopping a flush draw?

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Is there some sort of prize they are handing out now for flopping baby flush draws? A cookie or something? Because if they're not, then this line of reasoning doesn't impress me since a four-card flush doesn't even beat one pair according to my table of poker hand rankings. C'mon dude, you have EIGHT THREE.