3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

AceHiStation · #1 12-11-2005, 05:59 AM

I find myself improving on the turn too often recently and getting sucked in. Wasn't too sure what to think of flop minraise but I considered QT a possibility. I also figure KJ is another possibility and rarely I will see AK here. There's also the KK/JJ/55 possibility but I ruled those out on the turn push. What do you guys think?
-Ace

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BB ($120)
Hero ($984)
Button ($768.34)
SB ($651.32)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
Hero raises to $25, Button calls $25, 1 fold, BB calls $19.

Flop: ($78) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $60, Button raises to $120, BB folds, Hero calls $60.

Turn: ($318) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button calls all-in, Hero calls $623.34.

River: ($941.34) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $1565.68

soah · #2 12-11-2005, 06:08 AM

I don't see how anyone could push the turn with a worse hand for that much money. There are only certain players I'd call against and you didn't mention any sort of read...

odawg09090 · #3 12-11-2005, 06:14 AM

I''m guessing you lost the hand to 55 because you posted it. I don't know if I can fold this here also. His turn all in overbet is very suspicious because something like AT, or 55 would probably bet less. I'm curious, what did he have? I think I call this as well, btw.

BobboFitos · #4 12-11-2005, 06:22 AM

you made your decision on the flop; that is all.

Woolygimp · #5 12-11-2005, 06:33 AM

This is why I fold to most flop min-raises as it puts you in a sticky position for the turn. I don't call this without a decent read on my opponent.

I think the turn is a fold...Albeit not an easy one. You're really in a sticky spot here.
Someone could run the numbers on the hands your ahead of and see for sure... but I the only two hands I see here are 55 and KJ.

Edit: Bet 18 dollars more on the flop.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see something like KK/QQ/1010 here, not as often as KJ and 55 though.

odawg09090 · #6 12-11-2005, 06:41 AM

You realize he beats KJ right?

Woolygimp · #7 12-11-2005, 06:42 AM

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You realize he beats KJ right?

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Yeah thats why I said it's a close one.

flawless_victory · #8 12-11-2005, 07:03 AM

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Edit: Bet 18 dollars more on the flop.

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plz explain why u want to do this.
obviously, there is no correct bet size here, and it depends quite a bit on your opponent, but i usually bet less than 60 here (or check).

AceHiStation · #9 12-11-2005, 01:41 PM

Villain flipped up 55. I really like his turn push as I put him on KJ on the push. Back to the drawing board.
-Ace

Woolygimp · #10 12-11-2005, 02:25 PM

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Edit: Bet 18 dollars more on the flop.

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plz explain why u want to do this.
obviously, there is no correct bet size here, and it depends quite a bit on your opponent, but i usually bet less than 60 here (or check).

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Obviously theres merit to both arguments. By betting 78 you are putting more pressure on your opponent with a marginal hand. KQ is NOT a hand I like to play around with for obvious reasons (most of them being that you're dominated).

Show real strength on the flop, and if you get min-raised for 78 more you can definately lay it down easy.