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Old 11-14-2005, 04:58 PM
mlagoo mlagoo is offline
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Default (22) AKs hand, near bubble

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t1790)
MP (t1115)
CO (t1205)
Button (t1215)
SB (t1135)
BB (t1540)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t250, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t650) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero's line (bearing in mind villain's stack size)?
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: (22) AKs hand, near bubble

I kinda dislike this position.
a)If you bet and he reraises u will fold.
b)If you check and he bets u will fold.
c)If you push( way too wild, however on MTT I might do this on the bubble)I dont think he is folding enough ..or is he?
d) if you bet and he calls...argh.
I dont see him bluffing if you check it to him.

Anyway I think its either a check or a push, never a small bet.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: (22) AKs hand, near bubble

I would intentionally think for a long time and then check. I want to see if I hit a likely 10 outer if behind, I think I will count myself about ~7 outs and call accordingly on the flop.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: (22) AKs hand, near bubble

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I would intentionally think for a long time and then check. I want to see if I hit a likely 10 outer if behind, I think I will count myself about ~7 outs and call accordingly on the flop.

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so you're check/calling a push?
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: (22) AKs hand, near bubble

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I would intentionally think for a long time and then check. I want to see if I hit a likely 10 outer if behind, I think I will count myself about ~7 outs and call accordingly on the flop.

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so you're check/calling a push?

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No, I'm check calling about 120 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:16 PM
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Default Re: (22) AKs hand, near bubble

I exclusevely meditated about the hand since the last time I posted.

My chips are on the middle right away, u need to put pressure on the smaller stack.
You have ten outs if he calls with crap that beats ure draw, nine if he calls with QJ , seven should he call with AJ or KJ.
Of course I didnt mention that he could have 99 or other hand that its better than ours. I think a half brained oponent would fold AT, he might not but 7 outs aint that bad.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: (22) AKs hand, near bubble

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No, I'm check calling about 120 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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awkward position.

so it is either a push(prolly too agg.) or a check/fold (weak). hmmmmmm[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: (22) AKs hand, near bubble

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No, I'm check calling about 120 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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awkward position.

so it is either a push(prolly too agg.) or a check/fold (weak). hmmmmmm[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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this is what i thought too. so, being ever the aggressor, i pushed, and he took FOREVER before calling with AcJc [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. Which probably says something for the push.
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Old 11-14-2005, 06:14 PM
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You can't lose by pushing preflop here. If you are going to raise preflop, you should just push it IMO. Do you really want to get called in this spot if you raise?

I would sometimes limp here with the intention of reraise or calling a push if it comes. Even if we knew that someone was pushing or raising AQ+/TT+ after we limp in, it would be correct for us to call or move in. The rest of the time I would just push myself to avoid the tough spot that you had to face. If everyone calls with 22+/AK (the worst possible scenario for us) we still make 0.3% of the prize pool.

Brad
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Old 11-14-2005, 06:49 PM
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You can't lose by pushing preflop here.

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Well I think this is one of those situations where it may be +EV to push preflop, but (a lot) more +EV just to make a standard raise. I mean, the 10xBB rule, shaky as it may be, is mantra around 2+2 for a reason, and I've got 18BB here with plenty of 10xBB stacks to act. There's just no reason to push.
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