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Old 12-03-2005, 10:35 AM
donkeyradish donkeyradish is offline
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Default Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

When is it a <u>good</u> play to cold call a PF raise outside of the blind positions?

Lately I noticed I have been doing this 0% of the time, what could I be missing?
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

the only times id really cold/call is with a suited broadway type hand in a loose game that i think i will get a few callers behind me, or with a mid pair type hand in a real loose game when i dont think im going to be able to knock people out with a 3-bet, or maybe occcaisionally with like AQs against a tight raiser, but that should probably be a fold, generally unless you can anticipate a crowd, 3-bet or fold is the best way to go

edit: also just to be clear, i am mainly refering to cold/calling an openers raise, if theres already a bunch of players in, my calling range gets wider
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

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When is it a <u>good</u> play to cold call a PF raise outside of the blind positions?

Lately I noticed I have been doing this 0% of the time, what could I be missing?

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Never cold-calling is not far wrong. That said, I will sometimes do it in certain situations. For example, if a couple loose, weak players limp early and an aggressive player raises them, I might be inclined to coldcall with something like KQs. However, I doubt this is clearly superior to folding or even raising.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

To clarify, I was trying to think of an example where I would just call first to act after a raiser. The more cold callers there are between me and the initial raiser, the more I will call with. (Both my odds and my relative position improve.) At some point I don't even think of it as cold calling.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

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I was trying to think of an example where I would just call first to act after a raiser.

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Loose/passive table, with several VPIP &gt;40 players left to act behind you and a 70/3 player in the BB. UTG+1, a reasonable TAG, opens. You see JTs in UTG+2.
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Old 12-03-2005, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

There is nothing wrong with coldcalling with a PP if you know that enough players are along for the ride if you hit your set.
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Old 12-03-2005, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

PP and AQs and KQs in multiway pots when you have position.
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Old 12-03-2005, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

A couple situations I CC'd last night:

- KJs OTB after a bad player raised and another bad player called.

- QJs in LP after 2 bad players limped and a SLAA player raised.

Im not saying these were great spots, but since both hands had multiple bad players I thought it was +EV.
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Old 12-03-2005, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: Cold Call PF - is it ever good?

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A couple situations I CC'd last night:

- KJs OTB after a bad player raised and another bad player called.

- QJs in LP after 2 bad players limped and a SLAA player raised.

Im not saying these were great spots, but since both hands had multiple bad players I thought it was +EV.

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I think these are very good examples of profitable coldcalls.

Good luck,
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Old 12-03-2005, 02:22 PM
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make sure to simply cold call AA and KK at any opportunity [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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