Overcard challenge - Page 6

elindauer · #51 07-05-2005, 06:19 AM

Hi Nate,

Just saw this in the digest. Nice post.

Here's a sort of general case that I think warrants a raise in which you can be fairly sure you do not have the best hand. It just happened to me a few minutes ago.

You are on the button w/ AK. 5 limpers to you, you raise. 7 see the flop for 2 bets.

flop: J43

EP bets, two callers to you. You can't fold, as you are getting huge odds. So you raise, because your opponents are loose and passive. Your raise looks like it must be an overpair in this clearly protected pot, so the jacks slow down and go into check-call mode.

Results: Turn Q. Checked to you. You check.
River A. Checked to you. You bet, and get called by (to your surprise) only 1 hand, KQ.

So the general situation is: multiway raised pot preflop, loose passive opponents, good chance they will check to you on the turn.

QTip · #52 07-07-2005, 01:11 PM

This one just happened, and I think it's fit this bill.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Edit: Flop better was loose and fairly aggressive, but I figured there was at least a pair on this drawless board. My plan was to take a free card on the turn if I got the chance.

SlantNGo · #53 07-07-2005, 01:15 PM

Why is this textbook?

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Here's a textbook case:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

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private joker · #54 07-07-2005, 03:15 PM

<blockquote>Svar på:<hr />
Why is this textbook?

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Here's a textbook case:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

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Why wouldn't it be? I have overcards and a backdoor flush draw, and moreover only 5 cards in the deck hit that flop. I have position on the bettor directly to my right, and I can take a free card on the turn if it's 3-way and checked to me, which it was. I hit my flush on the river and was able to raise a bettor because I showed weakness on the turn.

How are you playing this hand and why?

baronzeus · #55 07-07-2005, 03:17 PM

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Here's a textbook case:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

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I was going to suggest this.

private joker · #56 07-07-2005, 03:18 PM

<blockquote>Svar på:<hr />
This one just happened, and I think it's fit this bill.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Edit: Flop better was loose and fairly aggressive, but I figured there was at least a pair on this drawless board. My plan was to take a free card on the turn if I got the chance.

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Q -- I like it until the river, where I'd actually put in a bet. Usually after showing weakness on the turn like you did, the opponent will bet the river if he has anything. Since he checked again, I think you can put in a bet here, because he'll fold maybe 15-20% of the time, and you're getting 7:1 on the play.

Most likely he has a 9, but it's worth a shot, especially if you had a read that he makes laydowns like that. But you say he's loose and aggressive, so it's probably not a done deal.

SlantNGo · #57 07-07-2005, 09:58 PM

I would have played it the same but I never knew why... I'm a micro guy, and I got my ass handed to me at 1/2 by not knowing how to play well in HU postflop situations. Thanks for the explanation!

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How are you playing this hand and why?

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