80/160 #4: AJs

[elysium]

hi nate

you aren't leading by enough when your turn raise is called. it is also unclear whether or not you have the lead. the best course in this situation is simply calling your opponent down.

i edited my first post about making a possible turn raise. i had you in first position with a draw to the nuts. seeing now that the turn produced an off-suit, and that you are in last position, under no circumstances should you raise. however, even if you did have first position, and a draw to the nuts, you should not attempt a semi-bluff check-raise in this spot. the reason? the semi won't foldout this opponent....and you also get into the issue of whether or not you are in the lead. in otherwords nate, you may not want the turn fold to your raise, however, since you aren't leading sufficiently enough those times the raise is called, you also don't like the call. a raise therefore, can only hurt you, and never help you in this spot.

yeah nate, you must quickly recognize when not to get fancy. this is usually the great majority of the time. as for the river, you must call nate. i see that you folded but no good. you must call this one.

[sthief09]

fair enough. what range are you putting him on when he bets the turn?

[Nigel]

Nate,

I think a turn raise is out of the question here. The river fold is probably warranted, but is IMO, the only thing that could even be questioned about the hand, unless the guy is a total donk.

nh.

Nigel

[Nate tha' Great]

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fair enough. what range are you putting him on when he bets the turn?

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AA-99, AK, AQ, maybe another AJs, maybe something totally goofy.

[lil feller]

The only benefit of raising the turn is you might, just might, fold out QQ, and might, just might, get a free showdown from KQs or maybe AK. Unfortunately you'll also fold out TT, 99, etc that a LAG preflop might 4 bet with (if he is correctly putting you on 2 bigs).

I think you need to either give him credit for a monster, and fold the turn, or just call down. I don't see you getting the odds to call on the turn to draw to anything and if he's LAGGY who's to say he won't fire another hopless shell on the river. I can understand calling turn/river, and I can understand folding the turn, but calling the turn and folding the river makes zero sense to me.

Do you bet if he checks the river?

lf

[Nigel]

I think you have to think that anyone 4 betting their 99-goofy is loving the K hi flop and comes out blasting, unless he is tricky enough to think that he can take the pot away from you by checking.

Maybe, maybe, maybe 99 thinks this way, but in my experience goofy usually does not.

There is not much you are ahead of on the river.

Nigel

[mrbaseball]

Am I the only one who pitches this hand preflop? Unless I have seen this guy raising in EP with questionable holdings I have to try and pass the AQ test. I guess I need a better description of "somewhat loose-aggressive".

[17percent]

am i the only one that likes a smooth call pre-flop? i wouldnt mind letting a couple more players in with AJ suited.. i dont like the 3 bet with this hand too much. i understand he's a lag and youd like to isolate him but with just an ok kicker and the fact you are suited i think just calling preflop will put you in better position postflop(can be a little more deceptive, maybe get more people in the pot incase you flop your flush draw, probably get to a showdown for the same price without letting him "outplay" you if it ends up heads up). am i totally off base here?

[andyfox]

If we try to keep it simple, doesn't pocket queens make the most sense? He checks the flop because it contains a king. His opponent checks behind so he bets the turn. When his opponent just calls he bets it again on the river.

It might well be pocket kings too, but the more I think about it the more I like finding out with a raise on the turn.

[Lawrence Ng]

If you are going to call that turn, calling the river is a must IMHO. Otherwise fold that turn, move on to the next hand.

Lawrence