How bad was this cold call

mackthefork · #1 11-12-2005, 02:32 PM

Given that I am sure it will be 5 handed, how bad is this cold call I made.

I have J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button 6 handed 1/2 Absolute.

UTG has limped, MP raises, CO calls, I call, Big blind is ultra loose passive preflop.

Regards Mack

lautzutao · #2 11-12-2005, 02:35 PM

I don't think it's horrible, but I don't really like the call so much. I want a passive environment to play JTs, and you're not really getting that here...

adsman · #3 11-12-2005, 02:40 PM

You have a hand that loves multiway action and you have the button. Looks good to me.

Vote4Pedro · #4 11-12-2005, 02:41 PM

I like it

numeri · #5 11-12-2005, 02:44 PM

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You have a hand that loves multiway action and you have the button. Looks good to me.

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Yup.

Stealthy · #6 11-12-2005, 02:45 PM

I don't like this cold-call much. The only time I will make it is if the table is very agro post-flop with lots of raising on every street. Also if the raisor has raised a lot of pots I might be tempted as the risk of domination is lessened. 95% of the time this is a fold for me though. I am tighter than most at 6 Max so others may be happy to play it.

Vote4Pedro · #7 11-12-2005, 02:49 PM

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The only time I will make it is if the table is very agro post-flop with lots of raising on every street

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What? Why? I'm thinking the exact opposite

numeri · #8 11-12-2005, 02:53 PM

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The only time I will make it is if the table is very agro post-flop with lots of raising on every street

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What? Why? I'm thinking the exact opposite

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Implied odds maybe? If the table is passive or weak/tight, we might not make up enough post-flop.

I really don't mind either way. If there's one aggressive player and a bunch of callers, we can pump strong draws and drag some huge pots when we hit. If it's passive, we get more free cards. Seems cool either way.

#9 11-12-2005, 02:57 PM

Looks fine by me. based on your read, you're getting 4:1. If it was T9s, we can probably toss it.

Stealthy · #10 11-12-2005, 03:05 PM

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The only time I will make it is if the table is very agro post-flop with lots of raising on every street

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What? Why? I'm thinking the exact opposite

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Purely for the implied odds angle if I flop something real nice. JT is not my favourite hand for doing this as it hits so many flops but often giving you just marginal hands. If I flopped a Jack here even if it is the highest card on the board I don't fancy it much if there is a lot of laggy action. I am looking for straight and flush possibilities here more than any dubious high card strength. I prefer the occasional call here with hands like 89s - 45s or any PP as they are easy to play after the flop as they are good flop it or drop it hands in muti-ways.