stars $60 aw fack i know i should fold but...

[bawcerelli]

i know i should have folded to back into the money, but i figured he was raising with just about anything, and i wanted a shot at first. how donk is this call? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!11

BTW, i'm calling kings and aces here for sure, QQ i was on the fence, everything else i fold.

okerStars Game #3207012028: Tournament #15868104, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/30 - 23:34:25 (ET)
Table '15868104 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: KungFuElvis (10540 in chips)
Seat 3: Jhood905 (225 in chips)
Seat 5: KaiserShosa (795 in chips)
Seat 8: gentleman55 (1940 in chips)
KungFuElvis: posts the ante 25
Jhood905: posts the ante 25
KaiserShosa: posts the ante 25
gentleman55: posts the ante 25
KaiserShosa: posts small blind 200
gentleman55: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gentleman55 [Qh Qd]
KungFuElvis: raises 2000 to 2400
Jhood905: folds
KaiserShosa: folds
gentleman55 said, "damn"
gentleman55 said, "i have QQ"
KungFuElvis said, "?"
gentleman55: calls 1515 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5h 2h]
*** TURN *** [Ad 5h 2h] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5h 2h Ks] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gentleman55: shows [Qh Qd] (a pair of Queens)
KungFuElvis: shows [Ah Qc] (a pair of Aces)
KungFuElvis collected 4130 from pot
KaiserShosa said, "unbelievable"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4130 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 5h 2h Ks Td]
Seat 1: KungFuElvis showed [Ah Qc] and won (4130) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: Jhood905 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: KaiserShosa (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: gentleman55 (big blind) showed [Qh Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens

[pooh74]

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i know i should have folded to back into the money, but i figured he was raising with just about anything, and i wanted a shot at first. how donk is this call? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!11

BTW, i'm calling kings and aces here for sure, QQ i was on the fence, everything else i fold.

okerStars Game #3207012028: Tournament #15868104, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/30 - 23:34:25 (ET)
Table '15868104 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: KungFuElvis (10540 in chips)
Seat 3: Jhood905 (225 in chips)
Seat 5: KaiserShosa (795 in chips)
Seat 8: gentleman55 (1940 in chips)
KungFuElvis: posts the ante 25
Jhood905: posts the ante 25
KaiserShosa: posts the ante 25
gentleman55: posts the ante 25
KaiserShosa: posts small blind 200
gentleman55: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gentleman55 [Qh Qd]
KungFuElvis: raises 2000 to 2400
Jhood905: folds
KaiserShosa: folds
gentleman55 said, "damn"
gentleman55 said, "i have QQ"
KungFuElvis said, "?"
gentleman55: calls 1515 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5h 2h]
*** TURN *** [Ad 5h 2h] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5h 2h Ks] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gentleman55: shows [Qh Qd] (a pair of Queens)
KungFuElvis: shows [Ah Qc] (a pair of Aces)
KungFuElvis collected 4130 from pot
KaiserShosa said, "unbelievable"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4130 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 5h 2h Ks Td]
Seat 1: KungFuElvis showed [Ah Qc] and won (4130) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: Jhood905 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: KaiserShosa (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: gentleman55 (big blind) showed [Qh Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens

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I feel ya. I'd call KK here too, mainly because I'd spike a set on the turn...cant do that with QQ here.

[bawcerelli]

yuk, the best i get is -1.7 when utg is set to maniac. though i think his range is wider than the maniac setting. anyhow, i donked this one. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[bawcerelli]

wow, looks like KK is almost a fold too, and AA is +EV but not by as much as i would have thought.

[Freudian]

Been there, done that, cursed my stupidity. But they are so pwetty...

[pooh74]

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wow, looks like KK is almost a fold too, and AA is +EV but not by as much as i would have thought.

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I dont think I could bring myself to fold KK here.

[Freudian]

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wow, looks like KK is almost a fold too, and AA is +EV but not by as much as i would have thought.

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I dont think I could bring myself to fold KK here.

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I don't think you should either. Surely his raising range is larger than the Maniac setting in SNGPT? It should be.

[bluefeet]

I recall almost this identical post this summer. Yeah, even KK is a stretch.

Another thing to consider - though 2nd certainly isn't in the bag yet, SB is down to 1.5bb's himself after posting. Given your good chance of getting HU here shortly, you're likely only a few hands away from taking your 'double me up to give me a shot at first' chance HU. With obviously a great deal more +ev hands. One double up now (still at a 2:1 disadvantage assuming we fast forward to HU) is only 1 less double up we'll need to assume the same position when we do find ourselves HU.

Yeah, sucks though. Close one eye, squint with the other - pretend it was Q4o

I call and never look back.

[Emmitt2222]

hey, learning noob here. could you guys possibly explain why folding QQ here is correct. I understand it is the bubble and you are calling and all-in, and I also know the calculator will tell you to fold, but could it possibly be explained in words for me why you would fold such a good hand? thanks alot.