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11-11-2005, 10:55 AM
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I folded AKo preflop
Am I crazy?
1/2 full ring. UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets. Folds to me in MP. I fold. We haven't seen many 3-bets preflop at this table, and especially from UTG+1...however, these two guys were chatting rather frequently and someone had suggested that they might be colluding. I lectured them both before folding and said "Alright guys, we better see a showdown. I want to see your cards..." Then folded with like 2 seconds left. I don't like playing AKo to three bets. Am I crazy? Do you guys cap this or what? 
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#3
11-11-2005, 11:22 AM
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Re: I folded AKo preflop
If you want to see their cards you should pay for it [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
I also don't understand how raising and threebetting without other players in the pot is a good tactic if you're colluding. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#4
11-11-2005, 11:24 AM
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Re: I folded AKo preflop
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If you want to see their cards you should pay for it [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I also don't understand how raising and threebetting without other players in the pot is a good tactic if you're colluding. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] B/C you might get hands like AK to fold?
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#5
11-11-2005, 11:41 AM
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Re: I folded AKo preflop
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[ QUOTE ] If you want to see their cards you should pay for it [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I also don't understand how raising and threebetting without other players in the pot is a good tactic if you're colluding. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] B/C you might get hands like AK to fold? [/ QUOTE ] That doesn't make any sense. If they are colluding they other people in the hand to take money off of.
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#6
11-11-2005, 11:46 AM
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Re: I folded AKo preflop
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Cap. [/ QUOTE ]
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#7
11-11-2005, 12:16 PM
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Re: I folded AKo preflop
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Cap. [/ QUOTE ] The only other option I see as being all that reasonable is calling 3 cold so you can see if the other guy caps. These guys would both have to have <5% PFR's for me to fold this.
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#8
11-11-2005, 12:38 PM
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Re: I folded AKo preflop
yer in position, you gotta play. if the flop hits you, get it to showdown. any stats?
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#9
11-11-2005, 12:41 PM
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Re: I folded AKo preflop
this thread will be unneccesarily long
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#10
11-11-2005, 02:59 PM
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Results
So I folded, and some other dude capped behind me, the original raiser called the 2 extra bets and the other guy called for a 3-way capped pot.
Flop was Q3A.... This annoyed me, but I figured I'm still way behind to AQ, QQ, AA... a pantload of betting ensued, this made me think I made good laydown. Turn was another Ace... again a pantload of betting ensued and I figured for sure someone had AQ now. River....ACE... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU** WTF!!!!!! The pot ended up to be about 22BB's from what I remember and both the original raiser and the 3-bettor had a showdown. Original UTG raiser had...... get ready..... 22. Mr. 3-bet? Oh, he had QJ offsuit. He took the pot down with Aces full of queens. I almost broke something. 3-bet with QJ off. I don't even PLAY THIS HAND from EP. EVER. Anyway, my session was about break-even for 350 hands so I wasn't that upset. I guess I will just always cap AKoff preflop even disregarding the fact that someone in UTG+1 has the balls to 3-bet the UTG raiser? That was my problem. If the raise was from MP, and the 3-bet a couple spots later, I cap this or at least call. But seeing a 3-bet from UTG+1 at a full ring table is pretty scary. Oh, I forgot the guy who capped PF had KK and also saw the showdown. That's right, UTG called down with 22 against 2 opponents on this board....
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