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#21
08-05-2005, 04:53 AM
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Re: Crazy Vid
Yeah, those Chechens are real pros. Notice how the guy cuts his jugular, but leaves the larnyx intact so the sound is good while the soldier bleeds out (with the cutter's boot on his head). There are many versions of this out there, quality varies.
Lots more good stuff courtesy of the Chechen rebels on thenausea.com. I never thought I'd feel sorry for a Russian soldier.... 
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#23
08-05-2005, 05:04 AM
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It was real. He was drugged. In the first scene he has very scared and breathing heavily. You can see his shoulders moving up and down from the breaths he's taking. Once he was drugged, his heart slowed down and he began breathing slow. I don't even think he was concious. Some speculate he was already dead. This would explain the little blood and no screaming. Unless of course you were joking, then, meh.
[ QUOTE ] Notice how the guy cuts his jugular, but leaves the larnyx intact so the sound is good while the soldier bleeds out [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, he didn't go all the way through. That jug vein opened up and it was like a fountain. Seriously, looked like a scene from Kill Bill. I've seen another where they cut off dude's head with a bayonet after shooting him in the shoulder. Not as gruesome.
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#24
08-05-2005, 05:05 AM
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People that think the Nick Berg beheading video is real are very gullible. Little blood, little screaming, no struggling. Think about it. THINK! [/ QUOTE ] And your brilliant theory is what? eastbay
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#25
08-05-2005, 05:23 AM
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Re: Crazy Vid
Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.
Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity. As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine. The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb. Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands. Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands. The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore. The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape. The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg. Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from? Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s. The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law. The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying. The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best.
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#26
08-05-2005, 05:30 AM
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Re: Crazy Vid
A lot of those facts are terribly weak. The chair argument in particular always made me angry. A standard military chair? Uh, no, a ordinary plastic lawn chair, used by MILLIONS across the world. Bah.
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#29
08-05-2005, 06:01 AM
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I heard they sell those orange jumpsuits at the Baghdad Walmart also. [/ QUOTE ] Well, yeah, except he's not wearing a jumpsuit.
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#30
08-05-2005, 06:11 AM
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Re: Crazy Vid
Yeah, I think you know what my point is.
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