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Old 12-28-2005, 11:34 AM
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Default $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

After losing the last hand I was left with a seriously short stack. Wait and pray or push? If push, push any 2 from position or is there a limit to your push hands?

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<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero t330 (All-in)</font>
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:36 AM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

Looks fine to me. How often are you going to get a better spot than this before the blinds hit you?

I mean, you're open pushing from the button with a hand that's not terrible. You must push here, IMO.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:37 PM
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Wow, I had an almost identical situation occur last night in $11, except I was in small blind and had J9o, just a little over 300 chips. I called for 150, he then raised for my remainder. Guess I have to call here, right? He had KK and I lost. After the game I felt I made a horrible mistake... reading this thread has made me reconsider though.
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

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Wow, I had an almost identical situation occur last night in $11, except I was in small blind and had J9o, just a little over 300 chips. I called for 150, he then raised for my remainder. Guess I have to call here, right? He had KK and I lost. After the game I felt I made a horrible mistake... reading this thread has made me reconsider though.

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You shouldn't be calling here - either push or fold with 4BB left. If he had a smaller to mid stack then I'd say push since he would be much more likely to fold. If he had a very large stack then it would be a tougher decision but still probably a push for me with J9o.

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Old 12-28-2005, 11:41 AM
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If we think the SB will call with any pair, any ace, any two other broadway and the BB will call with any two (since he's just getting fantastic odds) then it's exactly neutral EV. To be honest, I think this is the best you're going to get and just have to push it now and pray for the best.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:54 AM
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I would say push, but we can't forget that they're more likely to call you since they think you're on tilt... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] That opens up their range a little bit (and for some donks, it opens up their range to 100%)
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

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I would say push, but we can't forget that they're more likely to call you since they think you're on tilt... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] That opens up their range a little bit (and for some donks, it opens up their range to 100%)

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That's actually irrelevant in this case. OP has enough of a stack to have some FE over SB and the typical BB is calling with all but the absolute worst hands anyway getting 2:1 on his money.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:58 AM
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:01 PM
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Clear fold. You have a few hands to wait until you are committed, and I'm sure you'll get a better hand.

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Certainly not a clear fold...
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:03 PM
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Clear fold. You have a few hands to wait until you are committed, and I'm sure you'll get a better hand.

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Huh? He's in the BB for almost half his stack in 3 hands. And it's not a matter of 'getting a better hand', it's a matter of getting a better opportunity than this. OP desperately needs to double up and / or steal blinds. He absolutely can not afford to fold here.
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