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Old 11-22-2005, 04:38 PM
MuckerFish MuckerFish is offline
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Default Straight but the flush draw gets there...

I figure I've sucked enough free education from you guys, and it's my turn to start contributing. I'll try to post one or two of my more thought provoking hands each week. Hope it helps the forum a bit.
(The site I play at isn't supported by the converter, I'll try to re-create the format as best as possible)

200NL, 9 handed
Button: 238
SB: 237.25
BB (Hero): 278.5
UTG: 117.5
UTG+1 (Villian) : 249.25
UTG+2 255.39
MP1: 90.90

Preflop; Hero dealt 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Villian calls, UTG+2 calls, UTG+3 calls, folds to me, I check. 5 players, pot=10.5

Flop: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets 12, 1 fold, villian calls, MP1 calls. 3 players, pot=47

Turn Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bet 65, Villian calls, MP folds. Pot= 175

River: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero??

No significant reads on villian, haven't seen him get out of line in the short time at the table.
The flush getting there was worrisome. Does open pushing the river have enough fold equity against a non-nut flush? Does it lose too much value from 2 pair/over pair/sets? If I block for 80 or so, I'd get queasy if he comes over the top, leaving me having to call 120 to win about 350.

All comments appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

a blocking bet on the river and folding to a push seems like the best play - do you think he'd chase a flush all the way down though??
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

1/2? pot flop and turn, c/c reasonable bet on river?
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:48 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

for what it's worth, i don't like the flop overbet. just pot it and hope a set raises.
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

You played it fine till now. Block the river, but I think you have to call his push without a read. He may have been chasing the straight. More likely he has two pair.
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

I'm check/calling the river, which allows him to bluff the flush and straight card. If he does have the flush, he'll want to get paid off and so he will probably make a callable value bet.

I'd like to hear your thoughts and others on whether this is a good spot to push the turn?
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

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I'd like to hear your thoughts and others on whether this is a good spot to push the turn?

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A push is such a large over bet that only a set or a straight stays with you. I like the pot sized bet because it prices out draws and does not pot commit hero.

I don't like checking the river because worse hands (that would call a blocking bet) will just check through while hands that have you beat will always bet (and your intent is to call).
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

I definitely think a blocking bet of about 80 is the best play. If he had chased with something like 98 (pair+straightdraw) he probably calls. Two pairs and sets might call as well but should had probably folded to a full pot bet or a push.

If he pushes I think you can safetly fold.
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: Straight but the flush draw gets there...

I prefer a check and call of a moderate bet on this river because he could so easily over value his straight.
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:01 PM
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I prefer a check and call of a moderate bet on this river because he could so easily over value his straight.

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This wins you the least and loses you the most.
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