Am I WA/WB here (poll)?

[davelin]

Hey all, one thing I see is that some people have a hard time identifying when exactly is a situation when they are WA/WB so I thought I throw some examples up there and see what you guys think. Remember WA/WB is usually reserved for -

1) Heads-up on the flop
2) You're out-of-position
3) You're just as likely to be WA (Villain only has 3 outs or less) as WB (you only have 3 outs or less).

Question 1 -
You raise A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG, an unknown 3-bets you UTG+1. Folded back around to you and you call. The flop is -
2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Question 2 - Preflop the same as Question 1 but the flop is -
Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Question 3 - Preflop the same as Question 1 but the flop is -
A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Question 4 - You raise black QQ in MP1, folded to unknown CO who 3-bets you. Folded back to you and you cap and CO calls. Flop is -

2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Question 5 - Same preflop as Question 4 but the flop is -
Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Question 6 - Same preflop as Question 4 but the flop is -
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Question 7 - You have AK [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB. A loose UTG+1 Villain raises and it is folded to you and you 3-bet. Villain caps. Flop comes out -
K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Question 8 - Same preflop as Question 7 but the flop is -
Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Question 9 - Same preflop as Question 7 but the flop is -
A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[tiltaholic]

nice post

this makes my head hurt but it's a great exercise.

at first glance i said: <font color="white">none of them are WA/WB situations. we are either ahead more times than we are behind, or we are behind more times than we are ahead - but not really 50/50 either way.</font>

but i want to revisit this when i have more coffee.

[@bsolute_luck]

<font color="white"> the only "no" i could find is hand #5 </font>

[davelin]

I think you mean it the other way no?

[@bsolute_luck]

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nice post

this makes my head hurt but it's a great exercise.

at first glance i said: <font color="white">none of them are WA/WB situations. we are either ahead more times than we are behind, or we are behind more times than we are ahead - but not really 50/50 either way.</font>

but i want to revisit this when i have more coffee.

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i think if you focuse on the 3rd aspect/point of WA/WB it is easier to consider. some could go either way <font color="white">like #8</font>, but in general see my post for what i thought.

[numeri]

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<font color="white"> the only "no" i could find is hand #5 </font>

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Do you mean "yes"? There are plenty where we may very well be way ahead or way behind, but most aren't 50/50.

[aces_dad]

I wonder if some people are mis-reading this poll. For example, what are we WB in #9?

[@bsolute_luck]

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I think you mean it the other way no?

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maybe i misunderstood the poll. i'll reread when i get home from work. until then:

<font color="white">i wasn't sure about #5 because: if villian has a heart, he has 9 outs against us. if we're behind to a straight, we have 6 outs to win, but it could be WA/WB if the villain has lower trips or AA/KK with no heart</font>

[tiltaholic]

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i think if you focuse on the 3rd aspect/point of WA/WB it is easier to consider.

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yes. i know. especially since we are OOP and HU in all of the cases. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

what hurts is trying to deal with 10 at once and trying to count up all the combos (something i suck at).

[McGahee]

Good thread -
I was the first to vote and I said 'yes' for 2, 3, and 6. I think we're probably behind in #6 though. Some may argue you're usually ahead in 2 &amp; 3, but I am more inclined to give an unknown 3-bettor in UTG+1 credit for a hand.