$5/10 NL on Party

FoxwoodsFiend · #1 05-22-2005, 12:02 AM

Table is pretty tight, villain just sat down with 1000, I have 2500. Villain is in LP, hero is in bb w/Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Two limpers, villain limps, button limps, sb completes, hero checks.
Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Sb bets $30, hero raises to 90, two folds, villain calls, sb folds.
Turn: (Pot 270) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $150. Villain calls.
River (pot 570) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Villain bets $325.
What's my play? Comments on all streets appreciated.

creedofhubris · #2 05-22-2005, 12:47 AM

Flop and turn look fine.

River, I like either bet, fold to a raise, or check/call if your opponent is bluffy. Since you don't know, I would lead out and fold to a reraise.

You're only ahead of a busted straight draw.

ActionJeff · #3 05-22-2005, 01:08 AM

I think your turn bet was way too small, and you were giving great odds to drawing hands. I would probably make a bet of around 3/4 of the pot there, which is larger then needed against a drawing hand, but with such flops its quite likely you are facing both a pair and a flush draw.

On the river he is clearly representing the flush. He played the hand just like he would draws. However, be wary against a tough opponent( like me=)). If he was observing you, he would realize that YOU being on the flush draw was quite unlikely considering the way you played the hand, and may take a stab on the river. That bet seems more value oriented though. Without a good read, i would tend to fold the river. He could also be value betting an awkwardly played better two pair.

-Action Jeff Garza

AZK · #4 05-22-2005, 01:51 AM

he's giving the guy 3:1 on the turn basically to draw...that isn't a good price to draw...

Prevaricator · #5 05-22-2005, 02:04 AM

Why bet the river if youre only ahead of a busted straight draw that doesnt make sense.

creedofhubris · #6 05-22-2005, 05:11 AM

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Why bet the river if youre only ahead of a busted straight draw that doesnt make sense.

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If you check the river and he bets, the only hand that you are ahead of that he would play that way would be a busted straight.

All of his other medium hands that you can beat, he would checked on the river.

VanVeen · #7 05-22-2005, 09:58 AM

What % of villain's hand range is a busted straight draw? What % of the time will he represent the flush w/the busted straight draw? Answer: not enough. Check-fold. The conditions required to make betting this river sensible cannot possibly exist since Hero would need a sophisticated read, which he does not appear to have.

emil3000 · #8 05-22-2005, 10:19 AM

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he's giving the guy 3:1 on the turn basically to draw...that isn't a good price to draw...

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It isn't that bad if he has a straight draw. He has a lot of bluff cards then. And the straight has decent implied.

I'd bet a bit more on the turn. $200.

Prevaricator · #9 05-22-2005, 06:04 PM

okay that makes more sense

creedofhubris · #10 05-22-2005, 07:53 PM

If you check and he bets, you have to fold.

But if you bet, he might call with a weaker hand. If you bet and he raises, you must fold. The question is whether he calls with enough hands that you beat to make it worthwhile, and whether he bluff-raises enough to make it foolish to bet.

I think it depends on the opponent. If our hand was a little stronger (a set) I think this is clearly a bet, fold to raise scenario, or check/call bluff scenario, depending on opponent.