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Borodog · #1 10-13-2005, 07:50 PM

Edit: No stats on villain.

My effective position was 2 seats later than normal because of a couple of empty chairs, not that it matters to you aggies who'll raise 88 UTG. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, CO folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero . . .

private joker · #2 10-13-2005, 07:58 PM

I'd call this turn. His 3-bet PF could be a bigger PP, but it could also be AK/AQ with one big spade. He'd 3-bet the flop with the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] unless he's passive, but I don't like raising because you can't really fold to a 3-bet with ~4 outs to beat A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Ax.

Call, and then fold a spade river, call a non-spade river, and raise a non-spade 5 or 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Borodog · #3 10-13-2005, 08:06 PM

Thank you. My analysis exactly, with the exception of calling a non-spade non-8 non-5 river. Call again in the face of continued aggression? My plan was to fold the river UI if he followed up. Does that make my turn call incorrect?

Is the only reason I call a non-spade, and presumably non-ace non-king, river the fact that the suited board might indicate ramming the nut-flush draw? What about 2 spades on the flop? What about rainbow?

Entity · #4 10-13-2005, 08:16 PM

Does everyone raise this flop? I probably don't, FWIW.

private joker · #5 10-13-2005, 08:16 PM

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My plan was to fold the river UI if he followed up. Does that make my turn call incorrect?

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Well, calling in the hopes of spiking a 5 or 8 only is okay, since you're getting 9:1 on the turn call. But I'd still call the river because you'll be getting 11:1 once he bets the river. Is there a 9% chance that your hand is good? Probably, so I'd call. Most of the time his river bet means you're toast, but that 1-in-11 chance that he's trying to push you off with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Kx that never got there is enough to get me to call.

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What about 2 spades on the flop? What about rainbow?

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I used to fold the turn in all of these spots -- monotone, 2-flush, and rainbow -- but a lot of respected SS posters have encouraged me to never fold an overpair against an unknown. I still find that a bit too loose a strategy, but it could be correct.

private joker · #6 10-13-2005, 08:18 PM

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Does everyone raise this flop? I probably don't, FWIW.

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I'd like to get CO to fold a low singleton spade if BB has no spade. Plus, I have an overpair to the board, so yeah I raise the flop.

Entity · #7 10-13-2005, 08:24 PM

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Does everyone raise this flop? I probably don't, FWIW.

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I'd like to get CO to fold a low singleton spade if BB has no spade. Plus, I have an overpair to the board, so yeah I raise the flop.

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Hmm. I think it's kinda close. I don't think the sort of CO who will hold a low singleton spade is folding very often here for one or two bets, FWIW. I definitely think it's happening sometimes but combined with how often BB has you in a bad place already (single spade overcards & overpairs) I'm not sure that it's really worth it.

I dunno. I think it's close, I'm mulling it over right now. Right now I'm considering folding the flop.

private joker · #8 10-13-2005, 08:27 PM

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I don't think the sort of CO who will hold a low singleton spade is folding very often here

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Don't forget that the CO is also posting blind. He got trapped in the hand PF and is probably begging for an excuse to get out.

JacksonTens · #9 10-13-2005, 08:27 PM

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I think it's close, I'm mulling it over right now. Right now I'm considering folding the flop.

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Yeah I hate the colour boards. I'd consider folding to a flop 3-bet also.

JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Borodog · #10 10-13-2005, 08:29 PM

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Does everyone raise this flop? I probably don't, FWIW.

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I'd like to get CO to fold a low singleton spade if BB has no spade. Plus, I have an overpair to the board, so yeah I raise the flop.

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Bahing, gaho. I might not have raised headsup. But then again I might have.