Flop and turn play?

Nilbud · #1 09-26-2005, 06:55 PM

Everyone at this table was loose-passive, but the Button had better agression than the others and wasn't afraid to raise. I had been playing with him for a couple of hours and noticed that he wasn't afraid to raise a good hand, either pre-flop or post-flop. In fact, I was thinking he'd be a decent player if he just stopped playing so many hands pre-flop. Everyone else at the table will call if they have any piece.

I specifically interested in what everyone thinks of the flop raise and the turn bet.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

#2 09-26-2005, 07:02 PM

Borderline PF raising from the SB with ATs. I personally wouldn't do it. With AJs, sure.

Flop: Easy lead bet. When button re-raises, I think you should call. You're drawing, you don't want to face everyone else with two bets, and you don't have enough equity for the 3-bet to be for value if it becomes heads-up. You got lucky with someone else sticking around.

Turn: Check-call.

River: Lead if you hit trips, straight, or flush. With two-pair, check-call 1 bet. Unimproved, check/fold. It's far too likely one of them has K or Q.

edit: I'm ambivalent about flop 3-betting. I don't think you're clearing up any outs since you'd hear from AK or AQ preflop. But, your 12 (or more with the aces) out draw does come in 48% of the time with two cards to come, so it wouldn't be terrible heads-up.

Jacob_Gilliam · #3 09-26-2005, 07:03 PM

Perfecto.

deception5 · #4 09-26-2005, 07:05 PM

Looks great. What's your plan for the river?

#5 09-26-2005, 07:06 PM

I raise preflop and smooth call the raise on the flop.

I bet the turn.

POKhER · #6 09-26-2005, 07:08 PM

already know my opinion mate,

Call the flop raise, keep BB in for one bet back to him. Your drawing to the nuts so customers are welcome.

Your not exactly trying to clean up any outs so making them face 2 cold is not the greatest.

Could have gone to HEADSUP with only some deadmoney in the pot to keep you calling.

#7 09-26-2005, 07:09 PM

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When button re-raises, I think you should call. You're drawing, you don't want to face everyone else with two bets, and you don't have enough equity for the 3-bet to be for value if it becomes headsup. You got lucky and got someone else to stick around.

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Agree

Nilbud · #8 09-26-2005, 07:09 PM

What about cleaning up Ace and Ten outs? These guys WILL play any ace, so I want A3 to fold, or T3.

Redd · #9 09-26-2005, 07:11 PM

To everyone who's betting the turn (so, basically everyone):
What is our turn bet accomplishing here? What are we hoping to achieve with our bet?
We don't have the fold equity for it, we're likely already behind and don't have the equity to bet for value, and if someone did improve to a straight or something we're paying 2 bets to draw. Why not check-call on the off chance that we get a free card and avoid the chance that we'll be raised?

PokerSparky · #10 09-26-2005, 07:12 PM

I like it so far.

It sucks when the river bricks in these kinds of hands.