KK on turn, horrible fold?

Redeye · #1 11-04-2005, 12:41 PM

SB is about a 23/20ish player in this hand, seems reasonable.

Was this a horrible fold?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB calls, Hero folds

spydog · #2 11-04-2005, 12:45 PM

That is an ugly fold. Just call it down. If it's 2 bets to you on the river then you can fold.

jba · #3 11-04-2005, 12:47 PM

you're getting 16 or 17-2 on a call down... I'm pretty sure I'd call down, but I'm a Fish.

obsidian · #4 11-04-2005, 01:37 PM

Yes it was as AQ and KQ are both possible holdings you beat and the pot is big.

krishanleong · #5 11-04-2005, 01:45 PM

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That is an ugly fold. Just call it down. If it's 2 bets to you on the river then you can fold.

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It's not even close. Call down.

Krishan

ZBTHorton · #6 11-04-2005, 01:46 PM

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That is an ugly fold. Just call it down. If it's 2 bets to you on the river then you can fold.

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It's not even close. Call down.

Krishan

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#7 11-04-2005, 02:19 PM

If he had QQ, i suspect you would have seen a reraise on the flop from him.

I'd be more worried about 9-10, but I still call down here.

donger · #8 11-04-2005, 02:54 PM

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SB is about a 23/20ish player in this hand, seems reasonable.

Was this a horrible fold?

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Yes

#9 11-04-2005, 02:58 PM

Absolutely horrible.

Redeye · #10 11-04-2005, 03:23 PM

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It's not even close. Call down.

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Yes. And I knew it right when I did it and before I posted it. Running a little bad and I think I'm trying to make some laydowns that I have no right to be making. I think maybe thats one of the first mistakes when things aren't going well. I find myself folding way to many rivers and trying to make tough laydowns when I shouldn't be, especially in a large pot.

I had convinced myself that since he 3-bet out of the SB, since I capped from UTG, it wasn't likely he was waiting until the turn to c/r w/ AQ. Also, I thought there little chance he held KQ because I ddidn't think he's 3betting KQ OOP against a UTG pf raiser. So I figured it was between AA,KK,QQ or JJ and since there was only 1 other KK I decided I should fold, and as you said, it was terrible. Even if I knew with 100% certainty that was his hand range here, I'm still not far off breaking even on a call down.

Anyways, FWIW villian has KK. I think I just needed the therapy of posting a really dumb play.