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#11
11-24-2005, 02:21 AM
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Re: 99 -- possible leak
Definite Leak! 99 is NOT a reraising hand in small stakes holdem. Call the first raise if LAG raiser raises on a wide range of hands--but don't invite a reraise by raising a middle pair with only 2 outs and 5 possible overcards that could hit the flop and beat them--if the CO or LAG are not already in the lead. After the flop : no set no bet.
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#12
11-24-2005, 06:56 AM
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Re: 99 -- possible leak
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Definite Leak! 99 is NOT a reraising hand in small stakes holdem. Call the first raise if LAG raiser raises on a wide range of hands--but don't invite a reraise by raising a middle pair with only 2 outs and 5 possible overcards that could hit the flop and beat them--if the CO or LAG are not already in the lead. After the flop : no set no bet. [/ QUOTE ] He is trying to isolate the lag not have a nice family pot that just calling the initial raise will bring. I dont see the initial play as a leak, once the guy autocaps behind though I am worried but as the flop has come low against an unknown I think it was played optimally. But it is worth bearing in mind even bad loose players tend to have a small range when cold capping preflop. On the turn I may be tempted to bet/fold a brick but against an unknown in a decent sized pot going to showdown isnt hugely bad imho.
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#14
11-24-2005, 08:47 AM
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Re: 99 -- possible leak
how about 3 betting the flop and folding to a cap? That way you can be close to sure he's got an overpair. To me calling down after he caps is too expensive a way to find out if he's a (relatively rare) LAG with AK or something. I'd rather fold (to a cap) and watch what he does after the hand and get a better read for the next time.
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#16
11-24-2005, 09:30 AM
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Re: 99 -- possible leak
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how about 3 betting the flop and folding to a cap? That way you can be close to sure he's got an overpair. To me calling down after he caps is too expensive a way to find out if he's a (relatively rare) LAG with AK or something. I'd rather fold (to a cap) and watch what he does after the hand and get a better read for the next time. [/ QUOTE ] If it was coming to us capped then this big pot would be offering 20-1 I am not folding this at that point you would have to see the turn and try and spike the set.
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#17
11-24-2005, 09:31 AM
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Re: 99 -- possible leak
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[ QUOTE ] how about 3 betting the flop and folding to a cap? [/ QUOTE ] if we 3-bet the flop, what would you do on the turn? bet/fold, bet/call, check/call? [/ QUOTE ] hmm, how about bet/fold turn (he's slowplaying us). Check/call river to try induce a bluff if he's got AK (he's folding AK if we bet). Also if we bet the river we don't have to decide whether to call a raise that could be a bluff or could be the slowplayed goods
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#18
11-24-2005, 09:44 AM
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Re: 99 -- possible leak
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If it was coming to us capped then this big pot would be offering 20-1 I am not folding this at that point you would have to see the turn and try and spike the set. [/ QUOTE ] Well I guess we can squeeze a call in here with implied odds, and then check/fold a blank turn. Still works out 1 BB cheaper than calling down.
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#19
11-24-2005, 10:06 AM
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Re: 99 -- possible leak
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Definite Leak! 99 is NOT a reraising hand in small stakes holdem. Call the first raise if LAG raiser raises on a wide range of hands--but don't invite a reraise by raising a middle pair with only 2 outs and 5 possible overcards that could hit the flop and beat them--if the CO or LAG are not already in the lead. After the flop : no set no bet. [/ QUOTE ] Your advice is wrong. In late-middle or late position, 99 is fine to reraise to isolate a LAG raise. If you have a good image, you aren't inviting a 4 bet by 3 betting a LAG raise - that's crazy talk. Your advice to cold call a LAG raise with 99 and then play the hand for set value only is terrible under these circumstances.
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