bad folds?

[vipchump]

So I've seen other posts about JJ and I'm also having trouble with them on scary boards. How should I play these two? Results in following post.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls $0.75 (All-In), SB calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players, 1 all-in) </font>
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players, 1 all-in) </font>
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, SB calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in) </font>
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB


Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls $0.50 (All-In), CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players, 1 all-in) </font>
Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players, 1 all-in) </font>
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Button calls, Hero folds.

River: (9 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in) </font>
MP1 bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

[Piiop]

I think these were both good folds.

Hand 1, you're losing to any A, Q, or 6. It's very unlikely SB is bluffing.

Hand 2, against 4 opponents you're basically looking for a set or all undercards with JJ. Good fold.

[flexus]

In the first sitation, you really have too call. Even though you prolly lose here, you will certainly win more than once in eleven times, which will make the call profitable. Often they are just making some kind of play on you here.

Hand two is a much more akward situation. Player reads would certainly make this a much easier decision to make.

[flexus]

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It's very unlikely SB is bluffing.

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I just don't agree with this. I always make that call, and it surprises me how often they are just making some kind of play.

[vipchump]

Sorry I should have mentioned hand reads....though they weren't important in this case, since they both came early. Wanted to know if anyone had any options on the odds on calling these down.

Hand 1: First hand at the table, thus the BB.
Hand 2: Second hand at a different table, SB.

[vipchump]

First Hand:
Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows Td Ks (high card, king).
UTG+2 shows 6h Ah (straight, six high).
Outcome: SB wins 5.25 BB. UTG+2 wins 5 BB. </font>

Second Hand:
Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: <font color="white">
MP1 shows 4d 6s (full house, eights full of sixes).
MP2 shows Qs Tc (three of a kind, eights).
Button shows 7d 9c (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: MP1 wins 11 BB. </font>

[Piiop]

I agree I've seen some strange plays, but what hand do you put the SB on that you're still ahead of? I understand the pot odds are good, but I don't ever see the Hero winning the pot here. I read the SB as having a hand better than jacks and not wanting to miss a bet.

Just read Hero was new to the table thus no read on SB. I guess in this case I'd call down, but I'd still expect to be beaten.

[Matty]

I agree with flexus.

[flexus]

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Just read Hero was new to the table thus no read on SB. I guess in this case I'd call down, but I'd still expect to be beaten.

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Of course you'd expect to be beaten. I am just saying you will win often enough to show a profit.