QQ - Party 15/30

WillMagic · #1 04-11-2005, 01:17 AM

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero caps, CO calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (13.66 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (8.33 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG+2 raises...

Your action.

Will

einbert · #2 04-11-2005, 01:19 AM

No reads at all?

Since you have position on UTG+2, I like three-betting here. That will probably get CO to fold his AK, and depending on the river card you can decide if you want to value bet or take a free showdown.

stonecoldnuts · #3 04-11-2005, 01:27 AM

easy 3 bet

CallMeIshmael · #4 04-11-2005, 01:30 AM

Do the people who say 3-bet really think our hand is good here?

MoreWineII · #5 04-11-2005, 01:32 AM

UTG+2 likes his hand enough to limp and call a 3-bet preflop and enough to check-raise both preflop aggressors on the turn. I'm calling down.

CallMeIshmael · #6 04-11-2005, 01:34 AM

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UTG+2 likes his hand enough to limp and call a 3-bet preflop and enough to check-raise both preflop aggressors on the turn. I'm calling down.

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I agree. I think 3-betting is spewing.

Protection agaist CO is a non issue, IMO.

Liam Carver · #7 04-11-2005, 01:38 AM

I think UTG+2 is drawing to the nut flush, possibly ATspades? I don't see many other options. I have a funny feeling that we are not ahead here though, and I would call down. Any Reads on his play?

Liam

einbert · #8 04-11-2005, 01:39 AM

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Protection agaist CO is a non issue, IMO.

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What else do you put him on besides AK? I think you get more action from TT-AA. He might have AQs, but even then he's almost getting odds to draw to his three-outer for just one more bet.

If you put EP on a set or the straight, why not just fold? You're drawing nearly dead against those hands.

Three-betting the turn protects our hand from CO if we are ahead, gives us a chance for a free showdown if we don't improve, and could possibly get EP to fold a five-outer against us incorrectly.

If he caps we're almost certainly drawing to two or zero outs and can safely fold.

CallMeIshmael · #9 04-11-2005, 02:12 AM

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What else do you put him on besides AK?

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Since I feel I am likely behind, and need to improve, I actually want AK to call the bet. (none of the cards that complete my hand against UTG+2 also complete AK).

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I think you get more action from TT-AA. He might have AQs, but even then he's almost getting odds to draw to his three-outer for just one more bet.

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Agreed. But, again, I want him drawing if I am drawing as well.

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If you put EP on a set or the straight, why not just fold? You're drawing nearly dead against those hands.

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I think I am behind. I also think that I am ahead (or improve) often enough to call down.

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If he caps we're almost certainly drawing to two or zero outs and can safely fold.

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Agreed. But, I'd rather not give up my suckout equity, and get to showdown for the same number of bets.

Jeff W · #10 04-11-2005, 02:32 AM

No reads?

I would call down here. UTG+2 is showing too much strength to 3-bet. 3-betting protects your hand against CO, but you're often drawing to 2 outs against UTG+2's TT/99 and you end up losing 4 BBs instead of 2. CO might fold anyway and there is no gaurantee that he has a hand with 6 outs instead of 3 or 2.