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Old 12-29-2005, 07:24 AM
Jonny1723 Jonny1723 is offline
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Default AA - How to Protect My Hand

I’d appreciate your opinions on every street please, as I have great trouble playing hands like AA / KK etc.

Obviously I win with them a lot as you’d expect, but I’m not sure I fully understand the concepts of what to do to “protect my hand”.

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No reads as yet – but usually 3-4 to the flop.

Bet365 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero Raises, 6 Folds, SB Calls, BB Calls.

<font color="green"> Pretty standard I would have thought. </font>

Flop: (6 SB) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB Checked, BB Checked, Hero Bet, SB Called, BB Called.

<font color="green"> Again standard I would have thought.

However, it is ever better to check this and let them think the flop has missed, so I may get some action on the turn ?</font>

Turn: (6 BB) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB Checked, BB Checked, Hero Bet, SB Called, BB Folded.

<font color="green"> I’m sure SB is on a draw of some sort to still be calling down, so I figure he’s got Tx. Although at these limits, they won’t let bottom/middle pair go, so this is also an option.

What hand would you put the villian on ?</font>

River: (8 BB) T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB Bets, Hero ?.

<font color="green"> This is the nightmare card for me as it puts 4 to the straight. With someone calling all this way, then suddenly betting out, I figure he must have it.

What is your action here - Fold / Call / Raise ? And why ?</font>

Final Pot: ?? BB

Results = I will post later.

J.
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:41 AM
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Hey Jonny-

Looks good all-around. Do not check this flop! Your bet is perfect. There is no indication that anyone else will bet into you on the turn if you check the flop, so all a check does is to cause to miss bets.

Again, good turn bet. Yes, there is concern over a str8 draw but a lack of a c/r by your villians is a good indicator that we are still best.

Yes, the river is a bad card esp when SB donks it but I'm not folding it. Just call the bet.
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:53 AM
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Flop - fine, I dont think checking here would get you any more action later.

Turn: SB can be on almost any hand, 8x, 55,44 whatever really.

River: SB wakes and you probably have lost. I would still call the river - I'm sure that enough players on this limit would be bettin with something smaller (TT maybe?) than straight here. You only have to be right occasionally for this call to be right.
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:15 AM
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Think u played correctly all the way. And call the river bet. He knows it´s a scary card for u and may attempt a bluff with Tx or something else. Raise is too dangerous, risking two bets to win one. There are many hands that beats u.

Think u should bet the flop. If u don´t they might get suspicious since a pf raiser typically raise a ragged board like this.

Impossible to put him on a hand I think. He doesn´t have the odds to draw to a gut-shot, but at this level, who cares?
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: AA - How to Protect My Hand

Thanks for all your replies.

As it happens Villian showed 6 of Spades / 7 of Clubs for the rivered straight !

It was frustrating at the time (as it always is I guess!), but at least I know there wasn't much I could have done to protect my hand in this scenario.

Cheers.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: AA - How to Protect My Hand

Just make a note that he draws to backdoor straights in small pots and enjoy taking his money later. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:12 PM
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grunch

pre-flop : pretty standard, the alternative is secondhand low, in which you limp, then hope there's a raise behind, then you re-raise.

flop: I wouldn't check, you want to make them pay while you're ahead. also as you're the pre-flop raiser, your bet could just be a standard continuation bet after you've missed.

turn : standard, I've no idea what the sb has.

river : damn, you know he's just made it, but i'd probably call down here, for only one bet into this pot. there's an argument for folding too, but if you win in this situation about 1 time in nine (i think) it's plus ev. if he'd checked, then i'd check too. there's no way i'd raise him after a bet.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:31 PM
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Grunch

preflop and flop play are good. Checking the flop is bad, you don't want to give a free card to any draws, especailly with all the passive play. Turn play is good too. River... well it happens, without a read, I call here expecting to see the straight, but if he's bluffing approx. 10% of the time you have to call.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:42 PM
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I think you made the correct plays up to the river. I definitely wouldn't check the flop, as that gives a free card to players you have a good idea are on draws. This would defeat the purpose of your post, "How to protect my hand." I'd probably just call the river. You'll probably get whacked by a str8 fairly often, but you gotta call this for one bet just based upon the pot odds. Once you have a read on the villain(s), you could get cute and raise the river, or fold if your info gathered leads you that way. Good luck.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:44 PM
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The str8 is not surprising. Remember, if the villian is going to hang around hoping to hit rivered str8s, you'll make money from him over time. Short term, it's irritating, but long haul it works out.
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