Overplayed?

mockingbird · #1 09-08-2005, 09:41 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (9 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

milesdyson · #2 09-08-2005, 09:48 PM

i wouldn't lead that flop... but otherwise why do you think you overplayed this hand? because you lost? looks fine to me.

Redd · #3 09-08-2005, 09:58 PM

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i wouldn't lead that flop... but otherwise why do you think you overplayed this hand? because you lost? looks fine to me.

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Are you doing the standard check-and-see thing on the flop?

mockingbird · #4 09-08-2005, 10:24 PM

What's the standard check and see thing?

Brain · #5 09-08-2005, 10:26 PM

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What's the standard check and see thing?

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It's probably when you check and see what everybody else does first.

NobodysFreak · #6 09-08-2005, 10:28 PM

I don't think I'm playing this any differently. There was no aggression before or after the flop. The turn card didn't help the board at all. The river card gives someone with 56 a straight. I think you played this one right.

teajay · #7 09-08-2005, 10:30 PM

I don't think so. I'd three-bet as well.

*Edit: OK. Maybe a 3-bet is too much, but other than that I don't see a problem.

teajay · #8 09-08-2005, 10:31 PM

Someone with 56 already had a straight [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

milesdyson · #9 09-08-2005, 10:31 PM

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i wouldn't lead that flop... but otherwise why do you think you overplayed this hand? because you lost? looks fine to me.

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Are you doing the standard check-and-see thing on the flop?

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yes.

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I don't think I'm playing this any differently. There was no aggression before or after the flop. The turn card didn't help the board at all. The river card gives someone with 56 a straight. I think you played this one right.

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65 already had a straight (of course now it is a 6-card straight).

Redd · #10 09-08-2005, 10:58 PM

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What's the standard check and see thing?

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Yeah, it's checking into a big field to see the action behind you. It's usually done with a TPNKish hand out of the blinds; you hope that a late position bettor will autolead if checked to and you'll raise for protection and value. You also get to ditch easily if there's multiple bets back to you.

The reason I'm asking is because we've got a much stronger hand here than most of the times that checking-and-seeing is correct. IMO we have a good enough amount of equity to value-bet; the only players not making a mistake to call with a gutshot are maybe MP3 and button (and only if everyone before them calls too). Plus it seems like we can get away from our hand pretty easily if things get ugly.