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Old 08-16-2005, 02:38 PM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind.

But I didn't do it.

Am I an idiot for just taking the minute or so I did to consider it?

***** Hand History for Game 2545336338 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14891852 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, August 16, 14:34:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 11068 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tedoyboli ( $970 )
Seat 2: KardonSeph ( $790 )
Seat 3: RivRon ( $355 )
Seat 4: yopab23 ( $1100 )
Seat 5: jcl09 ( $720 )
Seat 6: badabom ( $750 )
Seat 7: bneik ( $1040 )
Seat 8: herefishes11 ( $675 )
Seat 9: Full_X_Grind ( $800 )
Seat 10: Magik4678 ( $800 )
Trny:14891852 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to KardonSeph [ Ac As ]
bneik calls [15].
>You have options at Table 12183 Table!.
herefishes11 calls [15].
Full_X_Grind folds.
Magik4678 folds.
tedoyboli folds.
>You have options at Table 12773 Table!.
KardonSeph raises [75].
RivRon folds.
yopab23 folds.
jcl09 calls [65].
badabom folds.
>You have options at Table 12183 Table!.
bneik folds.
herefishes11 calls [60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Qc, Jc ]
jcl09 checks.
herefishes11 bets [250].
KardonSeph is all-In [715]
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:39 PM
Myst Myst is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind

Uh, it may be an undercard flop, but thats not a great flop for AA.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:42 PM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind

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Uh, it may be an undercard flop, but thats not a great flop for AA.

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Yeah, that's easily one of the worst possible flops for AA.

You should fold, and then pat yourself on the back for making a Hellmuthian laydown.

(Villan only had A high, but that's OK. You are awesome!)
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:42 PM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind

Oh I know.

But what line do you follow?

Check/fold?

I don't put anyone on AK.

TJ? QJ?
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:43 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind.

pretty scary flop, but no way you can fold. i'd consider folding if it were JT9 2-tone, but i wouldn't fold that either.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:43 PM
gumpzilla gumpzilla is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind

No, but I'm not laying down here to the action you've seen so far. It's pretty unlikely that you're up against AK, so I don't think the straight is out there. Two pair hands are more likely than other times because of this board, but you'll have straight outs, aces and counterfeit outs against those. You also have the backdoor nut flush draw. So you have plenty of outs against the most likely hands that beat you, and have substantial chances of still being ahead. I'm pretty happy with this push. (EDIT: Push because you don't want to give free cards to a K or have your action get killed by a variety of other cards.)
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:43 PM
bjb23 bjb23 is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind

with just one opponent on the flop, there is just no way id lay this down. instapush.

now, if there were two other players on the flop, i think id have to vomit because this flop is so horrible. given reads, i might lay this down in that case.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:44 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind

against any 2pr you have a ton of outs.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:12 PM
nWirb nWirb is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind.

Even if he has QJ here you are ~42% to win.
I also push and prepare to get sucked out on.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:17 PM
lastchance lastchance is offline
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Default Re: The thought of laying down AA on an undercard flop CROSSED my mind

If there was a bet and raise in front of you on the flop, you very well could lay this down in the $109's.

There's one bet to you in the $33's.

Push.
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