struggling w/ QQ and weak stacks... 30+3

syphlix · #1 05-03-2005, 06:39 PM

what do you do here?... guess the 2 lines you can take is call/push a non-AK flop or just push right off... anyone do differently?... what do you do and why?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t770)
BB (t980)
UTG (t775)
Hero (t545)
MP1 (t830)
MP2 (t745)
CO (t800)
Button (t760)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, Button raises to t150.

 Hero ??????

DasLeben · #2 05-03-2005, 06:44 PM

Poosh! You'll get shown jacks, tens, and AK enough here.

tminus · #3 05-03-2005, 08:31 PM

funny you should ask, i had a nearly identical hand today
foe showed some loose hands prior to this:

NL Hold'em $5 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:11886318 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, May 03, 19:28:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 17608 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: bottleservic ( $975 )
Seat 6: Tminus ( $800 )
Seat 8: RAT_THE_CAT ( $710 )
Seat 7: Scottche ( $785 )
Seat 2: tbur69 ( $1030 )
Seat 5: e420m ( $740 )
Seat 10: liberty123 ( $490 )
Seat 1: sckdeznutz8 ( $305 )
Seat 3: rolltide18 ( $1490 )
Seat 9: Win322 ( $675 )
Trny:11886318 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Tminus [ Qc Qh ]
e420m folds.
Tminus raises [70].
Scottche folds.
RAT_THE_CAT folds.
Win322 folds.
liberty123 folds.
sckdeznutz8 is all-In [305]
tbur69 folds.
rolltide18 folds.
bottleservic folds.
Tminus calls [235].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Qs, 8d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
Tminus shows [ Qc, Qh ] a full house, Queens full of nines.
sckdeznutz8 shows [ Kc, Kd ] a full house, Kings full of nines.
sckdeznutz8 wins 635 chips from the main pot with a full house, Kings full of nines.
Game #1994411596 starts.

what am i to do, lay it down ?

DasLeben · #4 05-03-2005, 08:41 PM

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what am i to do, lay it down ?

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Do a search on this board for "results oriented" and see what you find.

syphlix · #5 05-04-2005, 04:13 PM

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Poosh! You'll get shown jacks, tens, and AK enough here.

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even on 30's?...

anyone else think this?

dfscott · #6 05-04-2005, 04:21 PM

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Poosh! You'll get shown jacks, tens, and AK enough here.

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even on 30's?...

anyone else think this?

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I haven't played enough to get a statistically significant sample, but the times I've seen this, I've run into KK and AA.

Again, this is purely anecdotal.

curtains · #7 05-04-2005, 04:23 PM

Someone should do a statistical analysis of how often a mini reraise means AA-KK at each level in the first 2-3 rounds.

syka16 · #8 05-04-2005, 04:54 PM

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Poosh! You'll get shown jacks, tens, and AK enough here.

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enough for what? the play to be slightly above breaking even?

QQ v TT+, AK: win %52.4

flyby4553 · #9 05-04-2005, 05:05 PM

I would probably call and see what the flop brings, ready to give up if an A or K hits and the Button bets. But I'm not sure thats right, if he has AA or KK your beat anyways, JJ or lower your still ahead. So the only hand this really helps against is AK where you want the Villain to call if the flop brings unders. Folding QQ seems wrong here too but if you put him on TT+, AK then you probably need to fold or push and forget about calling.

IcarusFalling · #10 05-04-2005, 05:07 PM

call or raise.. i might call because personally im trying to tone down my QQ action just a notch... ive lost an insane amount with QQ in nlhe .. but ofcourse tourneys are different