Absolute Morals and evolution

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I (and others) say Absolute Morals don’t exist if no God. Others say they either do/can/might exist on their own. Chez, kid, M to the 6th, et al what say you to the following:

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A nice series of questions that I will answer from the personl(obviously!) view of one of the "et als"

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Perhaps, survival of the fitness and/or natural selection is the Moral Absolute if no God.?

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Nope there is no Absolute morality absent God whether or not natural selection is true. Natural selection has absolutely nothing to do with morality on any level whatsoever.

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If this is so, what does this entail? Does any life form have the Absolute right to destroy any “enemy” it deems fit.


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By "if this is so" I assume you mean natural selection is true not the statement that natural selection defines , if true, morality (which it doesn't to repeat my previous answer)

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Are there parameters for this? Is it ok to kill or rule over other life forms simply because we can and/or choose to? Do we have a right to direct selection within our own species?

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There is no Absolute answer to ok to kill or rule or direct human evolution (eugenics). I believe it is wrong in some cases but that is my personal morality.

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Man kills animals for food. Do we have a moral obligation to kill only for food? What about when we kill more animals than we can eat? Does this extend to plant life - all life forms?

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No moral obligation to kill only for food. I happily take antibiotics to kill bacteria that make me ill. I have had (dead of old age not ilness as it happens) Christian Scientist ancestors who wouldn't take antibiotics...is your faith that strong!?). Yep..I'll kill plants I don't eat too.....what about you, you don't scrape the green stuff off you window frames to keep them clean?

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Do we have the right to kill other life forms that do not endanger us (man)?


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Yep. for food if nothing else...I have no problem with eating fish etc.


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Do we have the right to kill life forms because they endanger us?

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yes. I've had my jabs to kill life-endagering life forms.

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Why is it ok for Nature to select which species survives?

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Ok doesn't come into it. It is just the way things are. (Just as it is "OK" for the sun to rise and ice to melt when it warms up?)

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Why can’t man decide too what species survives? Can we?

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Lack of organisation, common purpose. You tell me why all smallpox stocks have not been destroyed to make the smallpox virus extinct. (I know the reason but do you think this organism should be destroyed which IS within the power of Man)

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We seem to direct this evolution to an extent anyway? We try to eradicate diseases. Is that “fair” to natural selection?

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No absolute code so "fairness" doesn't come into it. FREE YOUR MIND. Thereis no absolute code, OK, fairness, right or wrong. Proper become superfluous. we are part of nature.

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How “naturally selective” is evolution now that the life from of homosapiens has evolved?

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We are part of nature. Natural selection carries on with us in the "equation". Only God makes things "unnatural"..by acting outside the bounds of natural law.

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Are there Absolutes for evolution - are we ignoring them? Should we ignore them if it benefits our species?

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No absolutes. Nothing to ignore.

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Even if this is not a Moral Absolute - how do we still answer these questions "ethically"? Should we try to at all - or is that anathema from an evolutionary point of view?

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Personal and collective ethics do come into it. We should and do try to. We have endagered species lists and international agreements to save extinctions. We also strive to make things extinct, eg dangerous diseases (polio).


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If no God, the assumption, then no Absolute rigt to do anything.

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Yep. And no absolute bar to do anything.

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It may not be "right" according to an individual's moral code

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Yep. Or it may be "wrong"!