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#1
12-16-2005, 05:02 PM
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Turn
BB is 30/19/3.67 after 300 (mostly mined) hands.
What's your turn action and how do you proceed after being raised? Is it an easy calldown? CO calls, I raise A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in SB, BB calls 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet, BB raises, CO folds, I call A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I bet, BB raises, ... 
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#2
12-16-2005, 05:19 PM
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Re: Turn
call down.. pot gives 4-1? or so to see the river & villian is agressive. Dont expect to win most of the time though...
probably up against a flush
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#3
12-17-2005, 04:02 AM
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Re: Turn
Definitely call down. I C/R the turn though instead of donking it. This guy's betting almost always. The only reason to donkbet here is if you're commiting to a showdown. Since you can fold to a 3-bet, you're better off to C/R.
If I C/R and he 3-bets, I can probably find a fold even against this villian.
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#4
12-17-2005, 09:16 AM
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Re: Turn
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Definitely call down. I C/R the turn though instead of donking it. This guy's betting almost always. The only reason to donkbet here is if you're commiting to a showdown. Since you can fold to a 3-bet, you're better off to C/R. If I C/R and he 3-bets, I can probably find a fold even against this villian. [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly.
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#6
12-17-2005, 09:39 AM
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Re: Turn
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Again better reads would help. Checking is too risky. As the pot is small he will more likely take the free card and fold the river UI rather than semibluff esp. with the ace there. [/ QUOTE ] Have you seen his aggression stat? I also like checkraising some of my good hands on the turn to discourage people taking shots at me when I miss.
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#7
12-17-2005, 03:24 PM
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Re: Turn
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The only reason to donkbet here is if you're commiting to a showdown. Since you can fold to a 3-bet, you're better off to C/R. If I C/R and he 3-bets, I can probably find a fold even against this villian. [/ QUOTE ] Could you explain this further? i'm not sure what you mean mate. You mean if you're hand is so strong you're goign to a showdown so you don't mind being raised but you also dont want a free card? Here we only have ace so what? we can risk giving a free card? I dont understand how you mean. I'd donk as i dont want a free card getting through. 3betting is tempting as he'll often think we're bluffing so will be raising weaker hands.. Specially with a AF of 3+!
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#8
12-17-2005, 03:37 PM
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Re: Turn
Donking the turn is fine. I think people underestimate how often even very aggressive players check behind the A here. A better reason than that though is that he'll be much more likely to fold his middle pair to a checkraise than a donkbet. 3 betting the turn is silly.
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#10
12-17-2005, 09:50 PM
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Re: Turn
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[ QUOTE ] The only reason to donkbet here is if you're commiting to a showdown. Since you can fold to a 3-bet, you're better off to C/R. If I C/R and he 3-bets, I can probably find a fold even against this villian. [/ QUOTE ] Could you explain this further? i'm not sure what you mean mate. You mean if you're hand is so strong you're goign to a showdown so you don't mind being raised but you also dont want a free card? Here we only have ace so what? we can risk giving a free card? I dont understand how you mean. I'd donk as i dont want a free card getting through. 3betting is tempting as he'll often think we're bluffing so will be raising weaker hands.. Specially with a AF of 3+! [/ QUOTE ] By donk-betting, we guarantee that no more than 2 bets will go in on the turn, and that at most 1 will go in on the river. (Well, that's not exactly precise, he could call the turn and raise the river, but either way, 3 bets total) If we C/R the turn and commit to a showdown, we're commiting to getting 4bets in there sometimes. In this situation I don't want to pay to 4 to see a showdown, so the next question is whether I can fold to his turn 3-bet or whether it would commit me to calling down. If I can fold to it, then I'm good to C/R. I don't mind that it would cost me 4 to see a showdown because I don't plan on seeing one. On the other hand, if I'm not going to be able to fold to that 3-bet, I'd much rather just donk here and let him raise me isntead. Saving me a BB when I'm behind. It's just actively controlling how many bets you're commiting to putting in.
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