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Old 12-30-2005, 03:07 PM
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Default Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

BB 85/30/1.80
SB unknown

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Absolute Limit Hold'em Ring - $0.10/$0.20 Stakes (4 handed)

Starting Stacks
Seat 2: Button (Hero) ($5.10)
Seat 3: Small blind ($1.60)
Seat 5: Big blind ($2.25)
Seat 9: CO ($1)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
CO raises, Hero raises, Small blind calls, Big blind calls, CO calls

Flop: (11.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Small blind bets, Big blind calls, CO raises, Hero calls, Small blind calls, Big blind calls

Turn: (9.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Small blind bets, Big blind calls, CO calls, Hero calls

River: (13.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Small blind bets, Big blind calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero raises, Small blind raises, Big blind calls, Hero calls

Final Pot: $4.4
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Old 12-30-2005, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

Yep. Raise it.
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Old 12-30-2005, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

Yup.
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Old 12-30-2005, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

Grunch:

Yep, raise the flop. Depending on the subsequent action after you raise, I'd usually bet/raise the turn too.
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:28 PM
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

You do realize that the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the river likely hurt you more than it helped you, right?

At least you raised preflop, so got one street right.
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:30 PM
Buckmulligan Buckmulligan is offline
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

I disagree with everyone saying we raise this flop.

I'm cold calling and raising a safe turn.
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Old 12-30-2005, 05:00 PM
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Bozlax, I disagree with the Q helping others more than me.

BB pathologically raised his 'winning hands', if he made a flush or straight he would ALWAYS raise here, so I beat him 99% of the time.

I put SB on a flopped set/2-pair, TPTK - he already made his hand and rarely has a flush/straight. he may have been protecting KTs, but not enough for the my river raise to be that bad most of the time.

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Old 12-30-2005, 07:00 PM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

How many hands did you have on BB? How many times had you seen him make a flush on the river with an aggressive player to act behind him? How many times had you seen him play a crap flush hard? What about the ugly end of the straight with a BDFD?

As for SB, fine. IF he has two-pair or a set then you're now ahead of a hand that you were behind. I'd say, given the action, that leaves him with JJ, specifically.

My biggest problem is that you're inconsistent in this hand. Since you didn't 3-bet the flop, you don't really know that you didn't force out a BDFD on the flop, so then raising the river when that flush comes in is not great, imo.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

[ QUOTE ]
I disagree with everyone saying we raise this flop.

I'm cold calling and raising a safe turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

What do you do in this case where the turn throws in a TON of coordination? Even facing the early callers with 2 cold, they have odds to call.

I think raise the flop to avoid this.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: Did I miss a clear raise on the flop?

Cap the flop and call the river. Why are you raising when the Qd hit?

Oh, and raise the turn too.
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