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Old 12-27-2005, 11:56 AM
Ray_bob Ray_bob is offline
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Default can i lay this down?

the villain has not played aggressive at all and is a semi straightfoward player

***** Hand History for Game 3268873259 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $5 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18641814 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Tuesday, December 27, 10:53:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 66935 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ForKingRiver ( $985 )
Seat 3: raystay ( $1885 )
Seat 4: saguate ( $635 )
Seat 5: ChristianT66 ( $1820 )
Seat 8: MARTIBEAR ( $2590 )
Seat 9: FluffyD111 ( $85 )
Trny:18641814 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to raystay [ 7c Ah ]
saguate folds.
ChristianT66 folds.
MARTIBEAR calls [50].
FluffyD111 folds.
ForKingRiver calls [25].
raystay checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 6c, Ac ]
>You have options at Table 67118 Table!.
ForKingRiver checks.
raystay bets [50].
MARTIBEAR calls [50].
ForKingRiver folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
raystay bets [50].
MARTIBEAR calls [50].
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
raystay checks.
MARTIBEAR bets [50].
raystay calls [50].
MARTIBEAR shows [ 6d, 6h ] three of a kind, sixes.
raystay doesn't show [ 7c, Ah ] a pair of aces.
MARTIBEAR wins 450 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, sixes.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:59 AM
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Yes
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Old 12-27-2005, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: can i lay this down?

Easy...you're usually dominated in this situation and it's a prime spot to lose many chips.
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Old 12-27-2005, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: can i lay this down?

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Easy...you're usually dominated in this situation and it's a prime spot to lose many chips.

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I assume the OP is talking about laying down to the river bet of 50. If I had come this far in the hand, I wouldn't lay down my top pair to a bet of 50 into a pot of more than 300. If nothing else, it helps me see how my opponent played whatever hand he was calling with til the river.
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Old 12-27-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: can i lay this down?

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Easy...you're usually dominated in this situation and it's a prime spot to lose many chips.

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I assume the OP is talking about laying down to the river bet of 50. If I had come this far in the hand, I wouldn't lay down my top pair to a bet of 50 into a pot of more than 300. If nothing else, it helps me see how my opponent played whatever hand he was calling with til the river.

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I think if the OP is willing to bet 50 BOTH on the flop and the turn - I don't see how whe folds the river...even though he is pretty much facing a severe beatage or a push.

As for the rest of the hand, this defnitely is NOT the way to play a bad ace oop.

if you bet the flop, you should check the turn and possibly fold there depending on the bet back at you.
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Old 12-27-2005, 01:04 PM
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Default Re: can i lay this down?

I wouldn't fold for 50 on the river.

I would have bet 100-125 on the flop and then given up if called (check down or check/fold turn/river).
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:38 PM
Ray_bob Ray_bob is offline
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Default Re: can i lay this down?

isnt that extremly passive and weak to bet the ace then check if i get called???
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:53 PM
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isnt that extremly passive and weak to bet the ace then check if i get called???

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No. If you make a decent sized bet on this flop (>1/2 pot) and get called, there is a very good chance the person who called you can beat top pair weak kicker.

It's smart to not lose too many chips with TPWK.

It's weak to not try to win the pot at all (i.e., by check/folding the flop or betting very weakly on the flop).

P.S. Your villain played this hand rather badly and should have raised you on the turn (especially with the 2 clubs on the flop) or bet more on the river, so you got to showdown rather cheaply here.
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Old 12-27-2005, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: can i lay this down?

If your opponents make ridiculously small value (? who knows ?) bets on the river, just call them if you have a piece.

It is not a sin to bet and then stop betting. You flopped top pair and someone else flopped trips. For 90% of your opponents this would have been the last hand of their tournament. Good job.
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Old 12-27-2005, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: can i lay this down?

You definitely don't fold the river to that small of a value bet. I expect in a 5+1 to see KJ or something shown down. If they'd bet 200+ on the river, I think you can and should lay it down.
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