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Old 11-29-2005, 02:57 PM
PoBoy321 PoBoy321 is offline
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Default Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

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SB ($37.15)
BB ($38.15)
Hero ($41.30)
MP ($4.75)
CO ($23.80)
Button ($22.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">Hero limps 2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $2.25</font>, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($5) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5.25</font>, Hero calls $5.25.

River: ($15.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.25</font>, Hero calls $0.25.

Final Pot: $16
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

Ever have reads? I don't like open limping this in most situations (exception being at a loose passive table). I think you played this fine postflop.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

any reason you dont like a raise on the turn?
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

If I have reads, I try to include them. However, the reason that most of these situations come up is simply because I don't have a read. If I had a read this would be a lot easier.

As for the open-limp, I don't know, I didn't like i either when I did it, but I've been trying new things.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:17 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

I think that when villain 3-bets the flop, my middle 2 pair is no good.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

[ QUOTE ]
If I have reads, I try to include them. However, the reason that most of these situations come up is simply because I don't have a read. If I had a read this would be a lot easier.

As for the open-limp, I don't know, I didn't like i either when I did it, but I've been trying new things.

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I think this is not a good thing to be trying. OOP w/o a read sucks in general. I find in my losing sessions that most of it comes from beeing out of position in a sticky situation. This time you ended up with position, so no harm no foul.

And yes, I think you're behind on the turn as well, but the call still seems ok.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

This hand looks fine. I don't like the turn raise- worse hands fold and better hands call. I already think you are behind despite improving on the turn. You have to call that ridiculous river bet.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:41 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

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If I have reads, I try to include them. However, the reason that most of these situations come up is simply because I don't have a read. If I had a read this would be a lot easier.

As for the open-limp, I don't know, I didn't like i either when I did it, but I've been trying new things.

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I think this is not a good thing to be trying. OOP w/o a read sucks in general. I find in my losing sessions that most of it comes from beeing out of position in a sticky situation. This time you ended up with position, so no harm no foul.

And yes, I think you're behind on the turn as well, but the call still seems ok.

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I'm not raising the turn because I'm confident that my 2 pair is no good, but at the same time, with 2 pair and a flush draw, even against top and bottom 2, I'm only 2:1, so I'm getting a fine price, assuming that I can extract more on the end.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

which is why the call is fine. Add in the times that villain thinks his AJ is good since the pot went unraised too. I'm glad you agree with me agreeing [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Two pair + flush draw, getting passive

Well, I'm just saying why I'm calling not folding.
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