drawing 4 or 5 in draw poker

[bigpooch]

Apparently, you forgot that the BB has a free play. If so,
he often has to draw to rags and when facing a bet from a
player that is possibly betting a busted draw, calling with
22 is very reasonable: it's in the top half of the hands one
ends up with after drawing four.

When drawing four, there is also the additional question as
to which hands you would bluff with and it seems more likely
(from what I have seen) the BB will be called more often
after drawing four cards than after drawing three cards.

[schubes]

You are letting your pseudo-game theory cloud your judgment here. You are in the situation of calling one bet to win two. You need to be the winner more than a 3rd of the time here. When SB limps and draws 3 - they already have 22 beat far more than 2/3 of the time!

Like I said before if they are limping with high cards enough to make calling with 22 better than folding, they are making such a huge mistake by auto betting it is a crime to discourage it by drawing 3.

[crabbypatty]

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Apparently, you forgot that the BB has a free play.

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what? that is the whole point of this discussion. i have infinite odds to make a hand why not give myself the best possible chance to win. drawing to J9 is not going to accomplish that. i can just as easily make aces as i can jacks or 9's.
and as to Zadeh. Yes when you are against a possible draw you are going to have to call sometimes but, pay attention here. Ace high is almost a strong as 22. so if they have a busted draw i will win about the same amount of time no matter which hand i have. if my opponenent paired most likely i will be beat and the only bad time is when they were drawing to a broadway. and i would lose with most aces here also(good time to have 22-whoopee [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]). personally i couldn't care less if my opponent bluffs at me when i have 22. ALMOST ALWAYS I WILL LAY MY HAND DOWN. 99.9%

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When drawing four, there is also the additional question as
to which hands you would bluff with and it seems more likely
(from what I have seen) the BB will be called more often
after drawing four cards than after drawing three cards.

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as to bluffing. like i said earlier, shouldn't i be raising predraw and now i can draw 3 or less. this should reduce the chances of being called even more than just checking and drawing 3 to junk.