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Old 12-15-2005, 04:09 PM
bluefeet bluefeet is offline
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Default ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

SB has been virtually comatose to this point. I wasn't convinced that he would be raising over the limper here with a weaker Ace...and I wasn't in the mood to race with 14 of my 19 BB's vs. a PP (my excuse for not pushing over PF).

Do I have to play the rest of this hole '[censored] out' if I don't call this flop push?

$60 Stars turbo
Seat 2: (2795 in chips)
Seat 4: (1970 in chips) UTG+1
Seat 5: (700 in chips)
Seat 6: (2315 in chips)
Seat 7: (1180 in chips)
Seat 8: (1235 in chips)
Seat 9: (1400 in chips) SB
bluefeet (1905 in chips) BB
Seat9: posts small blind 50
bluefeet: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluefeet [Kd As]
1 fold
Seat 4: calls 100
4 folds
Seat 9: raises 200 to 300
bluefeet: calls 200
1 fold (two to the flop)
*** FLOP *** [6s 9s 5s]
Seat 9: bets 1100 and is all-in [new pot=1800]
bluefeet: preparing to unzip...

Possibly as many as 14 outs IF any A or K is good. Just about 1:1 if this is true.

Take a mulligan and swing again, or drop the drawers and continue the game t300 lighter?
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:17 PM
zipppy zipppy is offline
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

I fold in this spot. I think any A or K are good most of the time, but not all of the time, so I don't think it's 1:1.

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Old 12-15-2005, 04:20 PM
Burno Burno is offline
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

I like to gamble so I call. I rationalize it by telling myself that I may have even more than 14 outs, since a tiny % of the time he's going to show me AxKs or better yet QxKs
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

if sb was being very tight, I doubt he was raising over a limper and BB with something like KQ. Maybe AK, but then again the push seems too aggressive for his image based on the OP's description.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

Don't need 1:1 when the pot is laying you 1100:1800. I call.

Board: 9s 6s 5s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 52.7273 % [ 00.52 00.01 ] { AA-JJ }
Hand 2: 47.2727 % [ 00.47 00.01 ] { AsKd }
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

Meh it's close but if you do lose you're not out, you still have what 5bb and I know you pushbot good, so it wouldn't be the end of the world, not fantastic though. And of course if you win you'll just absolutely crush everyone. So even if it's slightly -$EV, I can certainly see an argument to call for future +$EV reasons..

Screw it, call and pray for spades.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

Eh, I still push here preflop, the pot is big enough to go after and he could fold 88->TT.

If you weren't willing to push preflop then fold here. Personally I'd suggest folding preflop if you aren't gonna re-raise here. You aren't deep stacked enough to justify this call if he isn't going to pay you off if an A/K flops unless he hits his set and stacks you.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

[ QUOTE ]
Don't need 1:1 when the pot is laying you 1100:1800. I call.

Board: 9s 6s 5s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 52.7273 % [ 00.52 00.01 ] { AA-JJ }
Hand 2: 47.2727 % [ 00.47 00.01 ] { AsKd }

[/ QUOTE ]


Correct.

14 outs - 0.95:1
13 outs - 1.00:1
12 outs - 1.22:1
11 outs - 1.40:1
10 outs - 1.60:1
9 outs - 1.86:1

pot is laying me 1:1.63

a leak maybe, but i just HATE getting them in on someone elses' terms, needing to improve, despite the odds to do so [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:56 PM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

Would villain push AxKs here?
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: ($60) straight drive...but rolling just short of the forward tees

[ QUOTE ]
Don't need 1:1 when the pot is laying you 1100:1800. I call.

Board: 9s 6s 5s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 52.7273 % [ 00.52 00.01 ] { AA-JJ }
Hand 2: 47.2727 % [ 00.47 00.01 ] { AsKd }

[/ QUOTE ]

good call. I was in the middle of training and spit out a response without really looking at how much was in the pot.

it's close, but as others have said winning this pot gets you in GREAT shape for the rest of the sng, and losing doesn't finish you.

The other pro to winning this pot is that it sets up your table image in a clear way, imo. "willing to call on a draw". winning or losing this pot, I think you can use that to your advantage the rest of the tourney.
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