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Old 12-15-2005, 01:14 AM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default a hand youll all probably hate

pretty tight passive player raises EP 6 handed

2 unknowns coldcall

i call in the BB with K8hh

flop is 244 with 2 hearts

raiser bets the flop, an unknown raises, 1 fold to me in the BB and 3bet, tp folds and the unknown calls

turn is a Jo

i bet
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

hated it
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

Hmmm.... No sir, i don't like it.
An unknowns range can be pretty broad here, but a med PP is his most likely hand IMO. Meanwhile you have a draw 9albeit a good one) and are driving out the pfrer with your three bet, or allowing him to raise the turn with an overpair when he has one, charging you a lot when you miss (hes also unlikely to raise the turn when a flush hits).

Now you might be buying three outs if he folds KQ or KJ, but other hands re much more likely than Kings that he folds.

You also ruin a chance to c/r when the flush does hit, and thats a lot of bets your missing.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

if the tp calls 2 bets im definitely not betting the turn. hell fold AK to my checkraise 3 bet so im clearing up potential outs.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

Your hand is right inbetween the 33/50 range. That is your plenty better than 33% to win the hand, but still well below 50%. 2 opponents putting in money is way better than 1. Given that you are claring up, what 2 outs at the max- and since he doesn't always have a king, you really picking up .5-1 outs on average.
If you ahd a specific read on the coldcaller that he would do this with 2 overcards (like CC with AK) and then fold to the turn bet it could be worth it since you would be picking up the whole pot.
Otherwise i am calling here.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

cute
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

The higher the stakes, the more I like this.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

I like it if you can fold a better unpaired hand on the river.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:28 AM
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Yeah... But that means your semi bluff has gone from 3sbs to 7. Its gotta start happening a hell of a lot at this point.
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:37 AM
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Default Re: a hand youll all probably hate

Thats how I play it, but I think coldcalling and CRing the turn may have merits as it semi-looks like trips.
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