(LC) $109 bubble - why do people call in this situation?

[Freudian]

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But he's a multitabler, probably a 2p2'er, and he should know about ICM. So why the hell call here? It makes no sense, at all.

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So the next time you play him and a similar situation is there, will you still push any two?

[skipperbob]

You Forgot "Irieguy's Hierarchy of Needs" for Poker Players
1.Need for $$$$
2.Need for Alcohol
3.Need for Lapdances
4.Need to Call

[durron597]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t4720)
UTG (t180)
Button (t1690)
SB (t6910)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4720</font>, Button calls t1290 (All-In).

Flop: (t6510) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t6510) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t6510) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t6510

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 5c Js (one pair, twos).
Button has Th Jh (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Button wins t3480. Hero wins t3030. </font>

I'm not saying it's supports the call, but I can see the confusion. Suppose you know the BB calls 20% of the time, SNG PT says (with 50% blind disounting) that the SB should push with 25% (minimum edge 0.5%). Q8 isn't in that range. If he thinks you're pushing even worse hands, that may re-inforce his calling instinct.

I can't find a push%/call% equilibrium.

[tigerite]

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But he's a multitabler, probably a 2p2'er, and he should know about ICM. So why the hell call here? It makes no sense, at all.

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So the next time you play him and a similar situation is there, will you still push any two?

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Yes, because it's not -$EV for me until he calls a ridiculously loose range.

Well, if he folds, he loses equity, too. He's in a no win situation.

[Newt_Buggs]

oh please, I've seen calls from hands like K9 in this type of situation. Seeing a looser call like AJ shouldn't be any surprise. Even if he's calling with AJo ICM says that its ridiculously profitable to push 32o here anyway, so its not like he's hurting you that much.

[tewall]

Assuming you'll push with any 2, AJo looks to be about a break even call. I get his CEV goes down just the slightest amount by calling. This is using the ICM model.

Does it break down in a situation where the blinds are so high compared to the small stack?

[tewall]

Assuming you'll push with any 2, AJo looks to be about a break even call. I get his CEV goes down just the slightest amount by calling. This is using the ICM model.

Does it break down in a situation where the blinds are so high compared to the small stack?

[gisb0rne]

I see these calls all the time (but at a lower limit). It often makes me wonder if I'm playing correctly raising any 2 in these situations when there's enough morons out there willing to call with a "good" hand even though there's a super-short stack about to bust.