JJ, Super Tuesday, just into the money

woodguy · #1 09-07-2005, 10:05 AM

Hello All,

Super Tuesday, ~130 left, 140 get paid.

BB= 500

UTG (4800) open limps

UTG+1 (12000) rasies to 2000

Folded to me in LP w/ 7500 and JJ.

Got moved to this table just as it went hand for hand.

UTG hasn't played a hand since I sat down.

UTG+1 open raised 3xBB then stacked a guys in LP who pushed JJ, UTG+1 called with KK, that's the only hand I've seen him play in about 3 orbits.

I have stolen 3 times since I sat down, that is all.

What is your move here?

Regards,
Woodguy

zambonidrivr · #2 09-07-2005, 10:21 AM

Wood, I fold this. You have a very good hand and position. If UTG didn't limp, this would be an easy call or push IMO; however, UTG will be acting behind you and given his stack, has a high probablily to shove it in. UTG+1 is not going away. While you may have the best hand now (perhaps), I think seeing 5 cards is something you don't want to do. I find a better spot, and move on. Curious to hear what others think.

J

grandgnu · #3 09-07-2005, 10:22 AM

I'd push in this spot. You're already in the money, but the real money is in the final spots. You need to accumulate chips, and there's enough chips out there for you to attempt a "steal".

If you get called, you're likely coin-flipping.

gobboboy · #4 09-07-2005, 10:22 AM

EDIT: I totally misread the post.

You can probably wait for a better spot. I hate folding JJ, but you are probably 90% of the time dominated here, if not more. You have 13 bb's. Wait it out.

zambonidrivr · #5 09-07-2005, 10:23 AM

nothing like getting it in on a 3-way coin flip.

AceHiStation · #6 09-07-2005, 10:26 AM

I think I push. I put UTG on 99/TT and UTG+1 could easily be on a steal but I'd expect more of an AQs/AK type hand here from UTG+1. Given the potodds, its tough for him not to call, but its also tough for him to think he's not dominated.

Tough spot, but I like the push and look to accumulate.

#7 09-07-2005, 10:27 AM

I think you are winning at this point in the hand, and would cold call. You should take advantage of your position and decide what to do after the flop. I like calling.

zambonidrivr · #8 09-07-2005, 10:30 AM

i think calling is the worst decision. what hands limp utg when blinds are where they are and roughly $4k left? UTG is getting his money in regardless. why is UTG+1 stealing? not exactly in good position to do so...

i am folding here, and it's not even close.

gobboboy · #9 09-07-2005, 10:31 AM

Does anyone else not think UTG has at least JJ? UTG limp this late in the tournament, it would really surprise me if he didn't have some sort of monster. Combined with an early raiser with it, OP would probably need to make his set to stand a chance, and if UTG does have a hand he's probably pushing back at that raise.

AceHiStation · #10 09-07-2005, 10:41 AM

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I think I push. I put UTG on 99/TT and UTG+1 could easily be on a steal but I'd expect more of an AQs/AK type hand here from UTG+1. Given the potodds, its tough for him not to call, but its also tough for him to think he's not dominated.

Tough spot, but I like the push and look to accumulate.

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Decided to come back to this post. I think pushing is gonna get you busted way too often. Easy fold, you're fine sticking around and looking to pickoff the blinds to build up. You aren't even invested in the hand and my initial analysis may have been correct as far as reads go, but this is an easy fold.