Baffled on the first hand

[marbles]

Online 1/2, first hand of the session for me:

3 limpers, SB completes, I rap with ATo.

Flop: Q83 rainbow. Checked around.
Turn: [A] Q83, now two diamonds on the board (I don't have one). SB checks, I bet, folded around to SB, who checkraises. I call.
River: [3] AQ83. SB bets, I call.

Heckuva way to start a session, eh?

[JTG51]

I'd expect that SB also has an A and you'll chop.

[marbles]

Was my assessment as well on the river, hence the crying call. Actually, he had AQ for top 2. So even though he made a lot less on this hand than he should have, he still extracted the max from me. Grr...

[Homer]

If I thought there was any chance of getting SB to fold an A, I would raise the river. You are most likely chopping since you both have a Q kicker due to the board pairing.

-- Homer

[marbles]

"If I thought there was any chance of getting SB to fold an A, I would raise the river."

--Agreed. Two problems with that, though:
1. This is $1/$2 we're talking about here. A weak ace isn't going anywhere.
2. It's my first hand... Not even a slight read on the opponent.

[Homer]

True. I agreed with your play on all streets, so the only comment I could think of to provide was sort of theoretical. In another game at another limit.......this could be a good play.

-- Homer

[marbles]

"In another game at another limit.......this could be a good play"

--I concur.

[Ed Miller]

Your play looks fine to me.

(I need posts like this to support my drive to 1600...) [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

[Clarkmeister]

Homer: "In another game at another limit.......this could be a good play"

Marbles: '--I concur. '

Clarkmeister: 'Are you two nuts?'

I have never met the player at any limit who will fold an ace here to a river raise. Its similar to raising someone headsup when you are playing the straight on the board. This is at best a crying call, lets not get carried away with FPS raises that will never ever ever get a better (or the same) hand to fold, but will frequently get reraised.

[marbles]

"I have never met the player at any limit who will fold an ace here to a river raise."
--Nor have I, but I know he's out there. I can picture him now... He fancies himself a great hand reader and prides himself on big laydowns. He bets his clunker Ace in an effort to fold a bigger one (perhaps he doesn't notice that kickers are now irrelevent). When raised, he proudly dumps.

"Its similar to raising someone headsup when you are playing the straight on the board."
--Case in point. Ran into this guy a couple months back. Board was a J-high straight, he bet out, I raised, and he folded. He then "chatted" how I had sucked out on his set. He was right, of course... I held 98s.

Now granted, I'd have to have a pretty ironcast read on a guy to pull this move, but if it were there, I'd give it a shot.