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Old 08-12-2005, 06:21 AM
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Default QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

Button is loose/passive to say the least. pretty much any 2 cards will do. can't really figure him out sadly as he'll bluff sometimes when checked to, haven't seen a preflop raise yet, and calls down with any draw or pairing.

Hero BB Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6-handed)
Preflop
folded to Button, Button open limps, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Button checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, Button calls

Turn A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Button checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, Button calls

River 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Button checks, <font color="blue">Hero...???</font>
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:01 AM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

Easy bet, he usually has a hand worse than a pair of aces. Should also be an easy fold to a check raise assuming he only bluff bets, not bluff check raises.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:42 AM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

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Easy bet, he usually has a hand worse than a pair of aces. Should also be an easy fold to a check raise assuming he only bluff bets, not bluff check raises.

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yeah i figured as much. i think that's a leak i'm noticing right now is paying off on these river raises. he check/raised me. i paid the guy off

villain shows AJo [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

i got berated by the table for betting the turn and river saying "i should have slowed down when the Ace fell and blah blah" so i wasn't sure if i should have even betted this river.
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Old 08-12-2005, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

Im surely betting here, but when a loose PASSIVE check raises me I start wondering about the call to the raise. He is loose, its way to easy for him to have a lower pair in which case your loosing a bet, also tell the table to shut the hell up.
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Old 08-12-2005, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

yea this is one of those situations where you have a read, so you can fold this river check raise. I find it hard to do, but it is correct.

I would have also bet the river, he calls with a smaller pair here like almost every time, so you will make up for your over call on the river by continuing to value bet.
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:09 AM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

Easy bet, especially given your read.
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:22 AM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

If button is very loose, it seems that there are a lot of possible draws that he may have picked up on the flop. A pair or straight or gut-shot draw seem to be the most likely.

His checking the turn suggests that he doesnt have an A and the pairs and straight draws remain possibilities.

The 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] does complete a number of possible draws on the river, including the backdoor flush, however I would still be inclined to bet for value when button checks.

If button check-raised on the river, I would fold as I would consider that I was most likely beaten.

However, if I considered button to be tricky enough to be capable of attemting a river check-raise bluff, then I would just have checked behind on the river. However I would not expect many players to be that tricky at micro-stakes.
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

From your read this is a super easy river bet

"villain calls down with any draw or pairing"
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Old 08-12-2005, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

Given your read, I bet the river; he could have anything.
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Old 08-12-2005, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: QQ on a scary board against loose/passive

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From your read this is a super easy river bet

"villain calls down with any draw or pairing"

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i vote your avatar "the ugliest mug on the forum" [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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