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#12
07-16-2005, 04:56 PM
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Re: Do ME final tables usually last that long?
Last year when Greg and Willimms got it heads up their stacks were deep as well. I think Williams didn't take this into account and my guess is that if he'd have it to do over he wouldn't have played a big pot with his hand after the flop.
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#13
07-16-2005, 04:57 PM
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Re: Do ME final tables usually last that long?
If you made the WSOP ME just the pros, it would nearly kill poker. It would even hurt party poker. Less fish would be interested since all they see is a bunch of rich white guys playing in it.
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#14
07-16-2005, 05:07 PM
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Re: Do ME final tables usually last that long?
Somehow I knew the topic of changing the wsop format just because not enough pros made the final table would come up. You mean to tell me you weren't impressed with how well the pros did? Alot of pros did very well even in this enormous field which was enough to prove to me they still hold out strong regardless the fields.
Matusow, raymer, ivey, flack, lederer, watkinson, juanda... and most of "those" players nobody had heard of until ESPN introduced them to you. Matusow wasnt the only player at the final table who could be consired "pro" but since he's the only recognizable one it seems that way. At next year's wsop you'll be recognizing names from this years wsop and hoping they do well too... why? because tv creates the player's popularity.. not the other way around.
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#15
07-16-2005, 05:45 PM
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Re: Do ME final tables usually last that long?
i'd assume it was largely a function to the very large stack sizes relative to the blinds -- the # of chips in play was over 2x those in '04 and nearly 7x those in '03 but it didn't seem like there was blinds increased nearly fast enough to offset that.
that being said, there was a lot of fast play - far faster than the blind acceleration would seem to dictate.
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#16
07-16-2005, 05:48 PM
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Re: Do ME final tables usually last that long?
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Anomaly. Table full of cautious amateurs playing not to lose... Versus pros that would need more action and play to win. If MM had doubled up early... Would have been a completely different game. Personally... I think that this one will be soon forgotten... And demonstrates just how small time pro poker still is. They MUST change the format... Of the World Poker Championship. Now that it's becoming a major sport... Make it more like golf. Players ranked, say, top 200 in the world... Plus exemptions for previous final table appearances... Plus ** lifetime exemptions ** for previous winners... For a total of maybe 300 pros... Would get in. You can still have the 6000 cattle call entrants... But they must play qualifying rounds... Until down to an equal number = 300 Then the tournament starts... With 300 exempted pros plus 300 qualifiers. This would guarantee a Final Table... With at least 5 legitimate pros. Poker will NEVER be taken seriously until they do this... And get rid of comical, drunken meltdowns like Steve Lazar's. [/ QUOTE ] what the hell does "be taken seriously" mean anyway? seriously by whom? when people spout off about how the WSOP needs to be more exclusive, it becomes painfully clear to me that they don't have the slightest idea what is responsible for the massive boom in poker's popularity in the first place.
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#17
07-16-2005, 06:06 PM
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Re: Do ME final tables usually last that long?
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when people spout off about how the WSOP needs to be more exclusive, it becomes painfully clear to me that they don't have the slightest idea what is responsible for the massive boom in poker's popularity in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] you, sir, have hit the nail on the head.
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#18
07-16-2005, 09:53 PM
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A Curious Blast of Hate From Ononimo
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what the hell does "be taken seriously" mean anyway? seriously by whom? when people spout off about how the WSOP needs to be more exclusive, it becomes painfully clear to me that they don't have the slightest idea what is responsible for the massive boom in poker's popularity in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] Wow... You are one nasty, creepy whatever. Did you actually call the WSOP "exclusive"? This is 2+2 forums, baby... And everyone here is obsessed with poker. Just go out on the street... And stop the first 1000 people... And maybe 1-2% of people will even know... The the World Poker Championship happened this week. And I can back up my positions... With more than hateful emotions, baby. Google News Search, Saturday July 16th, 2005 "Tiger Woods" - 18,600 hits "Hachem" - 447 hits Nobody gives a f*ck about golf... It's the number 6 or 7 sport... But the British Open beat WSOP by 42 to 1 In terms of global news coverage. Unlike you, baby... Every serious player in the world wants the sport to grow... But it will never happen... As long as the WSOP is a Mickey Mouse crapshoot. The only "pros" that like the status quo... As "net wannabees" and pathetic "bonus whores" that think their going places. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. rm+ [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#19
07-16-2005, 10:10 PM
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Luckiest Coin Flipper Is World Poker Champion
Of all sports/games...
Poker has by far the greatest element of chance. Statistically... And there are 100 stats geeks lurking here right as we speak... The present WSOP formula to decide the World Champion... Simply does not allow the best players to prevail. The luckiest coin flipper wins much of the time... And there is always confusion about who is how good... Who is the best. Why is this exciting? And to whom? Deciding the British Open by playing 2 holes... Would be considered a farce... But a similar formula is entrenched at WSOP. IT WILL CHANGE. If the present format is so precious... Then they should at least double/triple the length of the tournament... To allow the best players to prevail... Not the luckiest coin flippers. rm+ [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#20
07-16-2005, 10:39 PM
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...followed by a brilliant analysis by an idiot
Unlike you, baby...
Every serious player in the world wants the sport to grow... But it will never happen... As long as the WSOP is a Mickey Mouse crapshoot. Well, let's see now... ME was 870+ in 2003, 2500+ in 2004 and 5600+ this year. Also this year, several other events had around 2000 entries (granted, partially due to dropping a lot of non-hold'em events, but still) Poker rooms are being added in casinos in Vegas and Atlantic City, including places that shut down rooms in the past. Online poker rooms are offering IPOs worth billions of dollars. Poker is everywhere in the media and popular culture. It's all over commercials, home games are expanding, the lexicon is used in very diverse fields... What the [censored] are you jabbering about?
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