i hate how this hand played out. 10/20

[JrJordan]

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Hah oops I didn't even notice that. I meant that I DO think he will fold better hands sometimes.

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I agree sometimes this is true. However, I don't think he pulls it off on this board 1 in 7 times. Plus, when you consider the risk of a 3-bet, I think it still makes sense for a turn call.

Addition: FWIW, I'd be more inclined to try this type of turn move if I didn't have the Qs since I could easily fold to a turn 3-bet.

[imported_stealthcow]

this shouold proably go in anotehr threat, but i think there are a few important things to figure out.

who your oponent is. against an unknown, a tag, a 60/5 (which this guy happened to be) or a very tight player.

if they will fold better hands

if they are likely to give up on a bluff

if you've seen them c/r light.

will they 3 bet top pair

i'm thinking this is a good play to make if you know your opponent well but the standard play on a player you haven't see yet is to just call down. very curious what other players say

stealthcow-

[Guy McSucker]

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i think its a good turn raise if the player has check raised me on teh flop before and i want to get to a showdown cheaply against him.


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Eh?

Do you mean you want to get to showdown cheaply in future hands? Because raising the turn on this hand can only make it more expensive.

Guy.

[dave44]

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I agree sometimes this is true. However, I don't think he pulls it off on this board 1 in 7 times...

Addition: FWIW, I'd be more inclined to try this type of turn move if I didn't have the Qs since I could easily fold to a turn 3-bet.

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OK hold on. I'm pretty sure Hero only needs to fold a better hand much less than 1 in 7 BECAUSE he has the flush draw and so many outs. Even if our opponent calls, we will still often win. Thus, it makes no sense at all for this to be a better turn raise without the flush draw.