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Old 07-04-2005, 03:14 AM
krazyace5 krazyace5 is offline
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I think Scientologists can only have limited contact to the 'real' world.. which starts after they attain the 'clear' status.

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This is true for Scientologists, and cults in general.

It's also one of the dirty secrets we don't want to admit about established religions, too. Or even clubs in general. One of the ways they promote cohesion among members is by denigrating, at least implicitly, outsiders or non-members. And it's very often not merely implicit. There's more than mere welcome in inundating new initiates with activities and assigning them "study buddies," etc. It's not enough that the new adherent bring himself to the club or religion, no matter how fully; he must also exclude things other, which goes hand in hand with devaluing them.

That's one of the saddest things about everything from trying to hang with the popular crowd in school to joining a religion or even getting an advanced degree; so often doing so is not constructed as a way to add to yourself, but also as a way to subtract from yourself, in ways including the negative ones. New believers or the newly promoted often disdain or purport to disdain things and people they enjoy, in a way that makes their lives and souls lesser. Whether it's the daughter who rejects her family because they're not "clear" or the man whose degree turns him into a newly minted jackass, everyone is made the lesser, and healthy relations with others are damaged rather than augmented. Which is especially sadly ironic considering the supposed purpose of gaining knowledge, wisdom, or religious insight would seem to be the broadening of the person rather than his isolation and shutting down.

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Sounds like Amway/Quixstar, lol.
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Old 07-04-2005, 11:36 AM
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Default Loony, huh?

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VERSION 1 : 'Teegeeack' (Earth) came to be populated 75 million years ago by 'thetans' (souls) when the evil ruler Xenu of the Galactic Federation cast them into volcanos and blew them up with a hydrogen bomb to solve his local overpopulation problems."

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VERSION 2 : 'Gaia' (Earth) came to be 10,000 years ago when God created it in seven (7) days. [The ratio of 1 cosmos per 7 Earth days is still the apex of godly productivity.] God created originally only two persons, Adam and Eve, from whose incestuous offspring all subsequent humans originate."

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Tell me how to pick the loony version among them. Just tell me.
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Old 07-04-2005, 12:36 PM
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Default Re: Any scientologists here?

Are you serious? Are you really that inable to come up with enough examples on your own that you need somebody to explain the concept to you?

Isrealites were commanded not to touch the dead. People with certain types of illnesses and symptoms were to be quarantined. Why? Not because it's wrong to touch dead bodies or be around sick people, it was for their protection. Does that mean it's wrong to touch a dead body today? No, but that commandment served a very good purpose at the time.

Pick any one of a hundred commandments God gave the Israelites, and you can usually very easily find a logical reason why it was a good thing for the society. Some of those commandments are still good for our society (do not kill), others are no longer necessary (do not eat pork). Knowing the difference can at times be tricky, since God doesn't often explain why he gave the commandments.

The issue of homosexuality is one such issue.
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Old 07-04-2005, 01:13 PM
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since God doesn't often explain why he gave the commandments.

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Actually, the Biblical God pretty much never explains why he gave any commandment. And according to tradition, there are basically 613 such commandments.

To the other points you make, well many times you can find the practical reason behind certain commandments, but in many cases it is very very difficult to find any logical reason. But you can always just assume that some (if not a big majority) of the commandments are simply there in order to seperate this particular group of people from other groups, i.e, to define the group.
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Old 07-04-2005, 01:17 PM
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omg wtf... science, math, and philosophy please!!!!!
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Old 07-04-2005, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: Loony, huh?

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VERSION 1 : 'Teegeeack' (Earth) came to be populated 75 million years ago by 'thetans' (souls) when the evil ruler Xenu of the Galactic Federation cast them into volcanos and blew them up with a hydrogen bomb to solve his local overpopulation problems."

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VERSION 2 : 'Gaia' (Earth) came to be 10,000 years ago when God created it in seven (7) days. [The ratio of 1 cosmos per 7 Earth days is still the apex of godly productivity.] God created originally only two persons, Adam and Eve, from whose incestuous offspring all subsequent humans originate."

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Tell me how to pick the loony version among them. Just tell me.

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In example two you left out the part about the talking snake in the tree. IMHO, the talking snake makes the latter example the loonier of the two. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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