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Old 08-06-2004, 10:10 PM
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Does this take into account that if you're holding KQ (for example) the chances that your opponent is pushing with AK, AQ, KK, or QQ are lower than if you're holding, say, 54o?

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Old 10-03-2004, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: ranking hands against \"push hands\" preflop

Do y'all think it might be a good idea to add this thread to the FAQ sticky. I found it really useful & keep coming back to it.
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Old 12-10-2004, 03:32 PM
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Adding this to FAQ?

I've been back here many times myself...

Unless you have another thread that addresses the top 10 hands, top 1/3 of hands, etc. But this thread does that and much more...
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Old 02-27-2005, 03:42 PM
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Here's the results for:

column 1: random hand
column 2: any ace, any pair
column 3: aces except A6o-A20, all pairs, KQs, KJs, KTs, QJs

AAo: 0.852037 AAo: 0.868701 AAo: 0.852403
KKo: 0.823957 KKo: 0.717437 KKo: 0.725878
QQo: 0.799252 QQo: 0.694589 QQo: 0.690498
JJo: 0.774695 JJo: 0.671537 JJo: 0.657249
TTo: 0.750118 TTo: 0.648316 TTo: 0.624291
99o: 0.720573 AKs: 0.633812 AKs: 0.609668
88o: 0.69163 99o: 0.618106 AKo: 0.590376
AKs: 0.670446 AKo: 0.615742 99o: 0.587292
77o: 0.66236 AQs: 0.602706 AQs: 0.57245
AQs: 0.662089 88o: 0.594209 88o: 0.557937
AJs: 0.653927 AQo: 0.582691 AQo: 0.550575
AKo: 0.65318 AJs: 0.570817 AJs: 0.536638
ATs: 0.646024 77o: 0.568266 77o: 0.526918
AQo: 0.644298 AJo: 0.548738 AJo: 0.512433
AJo: 0.635612 66o: 0.543522 66o: 0.503295
KQs: 0.634004 ATs: 0.539245 ATs: 0.500597
66o: 0.632847 55o: 0.518897 55o: 0.480924
A9s: 0.627812 ATo: 0.515079 ATo: 0.473856
ATo: 0.627196 A9s: 0.498569 A9s: 0.456724
KJs: 0.625673 44o: 0.489243 44o: 0.45548
A8s: 0.619438 A9o: 0.471471 KQs: 0.435427
KTs: 0.617886 A8s: 0.468405 33o: 0.430012
KQo: 0.614538 33o: 0.45922 A8s: 0.427111
A7s: 0.60984 A8o: 0.439287 A9o: 0.426667
A9o: 0.607708 A7s: 0.439104 KJs: 0.424205
KJo: 0.605667 JTs: 0.435095 QJs: 0.417834
55o: 0.603249 QJs: 0.432201 JTs: 0.413598
QJs: 0.602592 KQs: 0.429669 KTs: 0.412861
K9s: 0.599885 QTs: 0.428981 QTs: 0.409806
A5s: 0.599229 22o: 0.428917 22o: 0.40465
A6s: 0.599058 KJs: 0.426322 KQo: 0.404582
A8o: 0.598706 KTs: 0.423085 A7s: 0.400662
KTo: 0.597369 T9s: 0.421997 T9s: 0.40004
QTs: 0.594676 J9s: 0.41557 A8o: 0.395024
A4s: 0.590336 A6s: 0.412231 J9s: 0.394774
A7o: 0.588392 98s: 0.410088 KJo: 0.39268
K8s: 0.583123 Q9s: 0.409378 Q9s: 0.390815
A3s: 0.582203 A7o: 0.407937 K9s: 0.389992
QJo: 0.581327 T8s: 0.407644 A5s: 0.388996
K9o: 0.578099 A5s: 0.406675 98s: 0.387872
A5o: 0.576945 JTo: 0.403909 QJo: 0.386162
A6o: 0.576804 K9s: 0.40339 T8s: 0.385036
Q9s: 0.576643 87s: 0.401158 A6s: 0.384929
K7s: 0.575377 J8s: 0.401144 JTo: 0.382016
JTs: 0.575279 QJo: 0.400481 KTo: 0.380491
A2s: 0.573789 KQo: 0.397427 J8s: 0.379669
QTo: 0.572887 QTo: 0.39714 A4s: 0.379591
44o: 0.570228 97s: 0.395388 QTo: 0.377687
A4o: 0.567276 Q8s: 0.394819 87s: 0.37745
K6s: 0.566407 KJo: 0.393954 Q8s: 0.375597
K8o: 0.560181 T7s: 0.392131 K8s: 0.374595
Q8s: 0.560177 A4s: 0.391515 97s: 0.372826
A3o: 0.558426 76s: 0.390746 K6s: 0.372184
K5s: 0.557929 KTo: 0.390595 76s: 0.372178
J9s: 0.556625 T9o: 0.390155 A3s: 0.371324
Q9o: 0.553584 K8s: 0.38856 K7s: 0.370786
JTo: 0.552457 86s: 0.386708 T7s: 0.368944
K7o: 0.551853 K7s: 0.385625 86s: 0.368841
A2o: 0.549265 J7s: 0.385609 T9o: 0.36802
K4s: 0.548846 J9o: 0.383063 A7o: 0.366712
Q7s: 0.543023 A3s: 0.381557 65s: 0.366508
K6o: 0.542212 96s: 0.380882 K5s: 0.365975
K3s: 0.54055 K6s: 0.380852 96s: 0.364085
T9s: 0.540275 Q7s: 0.379169 Q6s: 0.363528
J8s: 0.540156 A6o: 0.379119 J7s: 0.363448
33o: 0.536931 65s: 0.377947 A2s: 0.362706
Q6s: 0.536126 98o: 0.377458 J9o: 0.362007
Q8o: 0.535978 T6s: 0.377398 T6s: 0.360074
K5o: 0.533119 Q6s: 0.377175 Q7s: 0.359384
J9o: 0.532492 Q9o: 0.376213 K4s: 0.358869
K2s: 0.532117 T8o: 0.374833 Q9o: 0.357511
Q5s: 0.527694 A5o: 0.373404 Q5s: 0.357398
T8s: 0.523344 K5s: 0.372262 54s: 0.356239
K4o: 0.523254 75s: 0.372141 75s: 0.356145
J7s: 0.523248 A2s: 0.371275 K9o: 0.356027
Q4s: 0.518553 J6s: 0.37076 98o: 0.355184
Q7o: 0.517636 K9o: 0.369575 J6s: 0.354933
T9o: 0.515296 Q5s: 0.368592 A5o: 0.354299
J8o: 0.514881 87o: 0.368155 85s: 0.352519
K3o: 0.514236 85s: 0.36804 T8o: 0.352024
Q6o: 0.51022 J8o: 0.367665 K3s: 0.351458
Q3s: 0.510192 54s: 0.365187 J5s: 0.351416
98s: 0.508008 J5s: 0.364974 Q4s: 0.350273
T7s: 0.50639 K4s: 0.364348 A6o: 0.349771
J6s: 0.506059 95s: 0.362213 64s: 0.34944
K2o: 0.505067 97o: 0.361791 95s: 0.347766
22o: 0.50334 Q8o: 0.360678 J8o: 0.3459
Q2s: 0.50169 Q4s: 0.360674 J4s: 0.344284
Q5o: 0.50118 64s: 0.359884 87o: 0.344273
J5s: 0.499868 T5s: 0.35859 A4o: 0.344211
T8o: 0.497192 T7o: 0.358288 K2s: 0.343822
J7o: 0.496799 76o: 0.357173 T5s: 0.343757
Q4o: 0.491256 A4o: 0.357137 Q3s: 0.342832
97s: 0.491177 J4s: 0.357052 Q8o: 0.34129
J4s: 0.490705 K3s: 0.356324 K8o: 0.339623
T6s: 0.489407 74s: 0.353963 T4s: 0.339354
J3s: 0.482316 K8o: 0.35376 97o: 0.33917
Q3o: 0.482174 T4s: 0.353475 53s: 0.338841
98o: 0.48095 86o: 0.352724 74s: 0.338648
87s: 0.479363 Q3s: 0.352646 76o: 0.338626
T7o: 0.479061 J7o: 0.351098 K6o: 0.336951
J6o: 0.478422 K7o: 0.350695 J3s: 0.336835
96s: 0.474283 84s: 0.349813 K7o: 0.335606
J2s: 0.473782 J3s: 0.34902 A3o: 0.335351
Q2o: 0.472934 K2s: 0.348201 Q2s: 0.335165
T5s: 0.472163 53s: 0.346731 84s: 0.335088
J5o: 0.471789 A3o: 0.346479 86o: 0.334934
T4s: 0.465305 96o: 0.346298 T7o: 0.334884
97o: 0.462958 K6o: 0.345598 65o: 0.332685
86s: 0.462433 T3s: 0.345439 T3s: 0.331932
J4o: 0.461843 Q2s: 0.344518 63s: 0.331813
T6o: 0.4609 Q7o: 0.343993 43s: 0.330534
95s: 0.457219 94s: 0.34389 K5o: 0.330441
T3s: 0.456925 65o: 0.343729 94s: 0.330436
76s: 0.453718 T6o: 0.34255 96o: 0.329697
J3o: 0.452735 Q6o: 0.3419 J2s: 0.329159
87o: 0.450488 63s: 0.341299 J7o: 0.328611
T2s: 0.448395 J2s: 0.340887 Q6o: 0.328314
85s: 0.44545 93s: 0.33867 A2o: 0.326099
96o: 0.444893 43s: 0.33766 93s: 0.325807
J2o: 0.443464 75o: 0.337437 T6o: 0.325271
T5o: 0.442489 T2s: 0.337301 T2s: 0.324283
94s: 0.43862 K5o: 0.336543 Q7o: 0.32402
75s: 0.436755 73s: 0.335466 K4o: 0.322831
T4o: 0.435021 A2o: 0.335453 54o: 0.321911
93s: 0.432643 J6o: 0.335241 Q5o: 0.321886
86o: 0.432389 85o: 0.33291 75o: 0.321674
65s: 0.431334 Q5o: 0.332851 52s: 0.320948
84s: 0.427016 83s: 0.331219 73s: 0.320877
95o: 0.426671 92s: 0.330518 J6o: 0.319385
T3o: 0.425925 54o: 0.330241 92s: 0.318174
92s: 0.424152 J5o: 0.329216 85o: 0.317667
76o: 0.423207 K4o: 0.328023 83s: 0.317427
74s: 0.418493 52s: 0.327759 J5o: 0.315777
T2o: 0.416663 95o: 0.326483 K3o: 0.314888
54s: 0.414534 82s: 0.325903 64o: 0.314505
85o: 0.414255 64o: 0.324395 Q4o: 0.314258
64s: 0.413333 Q4o: 0.324329 62s: 0.313897
83s: 0.408735 T5o: 0.322591 42s: 0.312957
94o: 0.40669 62s: 0.322283 82s: 0.312573
75o: 0.405099 J4o: 0.320689 95o: 0.31243
82s: 0.402716 K3o: 0.319379 J4o: 0.308142
73s: 0.400359 42s: 0.318872 T5o: 0.307999
93o: 0.400175 74o: 0.31797 K2o: 0.306695
65o: 0.399423 T4o: 0.317097 Q3o: 0.306286
53s: 0.39693 72s: 0.316582 32s: 0.304503
63s: 0.395336 Q3o: 0.315681 53o: 0.303372
84o: 0.394448 84o: 0.313391 T4o: 0.303309
92o: 0.390959 J3o: 0.312037 74o: 0.303023
43s: 0.386419 K2o: 0.310618 72s: 0.302883
74o: 0.385478 53o: 0.310492 J3o: 0.300162
72s: 0.381559 32s: 0.309713 84o: 0.299082
54o: 0.381532 T3o: 0.308441 Q2o: 0.298062
64o: 0.380084 Q2o: 0.306915 63o: 0.295713
52s: 0.378493 94o: 0.306866 T3o: 0.295358
62s: 0.37669 63o: 0.304498 43o: 0.294601
83o: 0.374818 J2o: 0.303267 94o: 0.29395
42s: 0.36829 93o: 0.301252 J2o: 0.291929
82o: 0.368256 43o: 0.3009 93o: 0.289012
73o: 0.366002 T2o: 0.299667 T2o: 0.287156
53o: 0.362627 73o: 0.298163 52o: 0.284284
63o: 0.360756 83o: 0.293484 73o: 0.284069
32s: 0.359844 92o: 0.292463 92o: 0.280829
43o: 0.351438 52o: 0.290183 83o: 0.280242
72o: 0.345816 82o: 0.287756 62o: 0.2766
52o: 0.342826 62o: 0.284141 42o: 0.275857
62o: 0.340731 42o: 0.280797 82o: 0.275057
42o: 0.331977 72o: 0.277943 32o: 0.266933
32o: 0.323012 32o: 0.271115 72o: 0.264864


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Old 02-27-2005, 04:09 PM
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Thank you, Eastbay. This went right onto my desktop. This information is quite valuable.

Since most opponents do not understand hand rankings beyond the top few (I once had an opponent in a live game tell me that KQ was the second best hand), you can use the "vs. random hands" list to select your top X% push hands in short-handed strategy. Since opponents don't really know which hands are better to call with, you can just assign them a random hand.

But your standard monkey will select the hands they push usually using a combination of any ace/pair plus broadway cards. So instead of selecting a top X% calling range from the random list, I can refine my calling range a bit and gain a little extra advantage short-handed.

I just try to play a non-exploitable short-handed game, and this helps.

Thank you,

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Old 02-27-2005, 04:13 PM
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Thank you, Eastbay. This went right onto my desktop. This information is quite valuable.


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You'll notice this thread is a year old with ~3000 reads. Ah, the old days before I'd helped make all this stuff well-known. Maybe I'm an idiot after all, lol.

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Old 02-27-2005, 08:03 PM
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The one thing I note most is how crappy any ace, any pair is as a range to call/push with.
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Old 02-27-2005, 09:43 PM
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The one thing I note most is how crappy any ace, any pair is as a range to call/push with.

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That is good to know...
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Old 03-11-2005, 05:40 PM
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*bump*
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Old 05-15-2005, 09:14 PM
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A must read for all newbies.
And yes, I realize this thread is over a year old.
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