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10-20-2005, 02:54 PM
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Re: Poker Etiquette by Phil Hellmuth
I think its only poor etiquette when a player mucks and someone not involved in the hands asks to see his cards. That irritates me. Somone who wasnt involved gets free info...
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10-20-2005, 03:04 PM
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Re: Poker Etiquette by Phil Hellmuth
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Was Phil correct when he said is was poor etiquette for a player to ask to his cards when he had just showed them to the player next to him. Isn't it 1 see all see??? [/ QUOTE ] He was not correct. The rule is that if you show your cards to one player, you have to show them to the table. Otherwise you are giving that one player information that is not available to everyone else. And Phil knows the rules better than anyone else at the table.
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10-20-2005, 03:25 PM
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Re: Poker Etiquette by Phil Hellmuth
Is it just etiquette or a rule?
Im trying to decide whether or not I chase down Men the Master (who had that picture for Phil to autograph) or maybe Harrington or someone to come tell him its bad etiquette... or call the floor over.
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#6
10-20-2005, 03:32 PM
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Re: Poker Etiquette by Phil Hellmuth
It's a rule at the casino I play at. Usually if the dealer sees you flash your cards to the guy next to you they will just grab them and flip them over before anyone even has to ask.
Of course, this wasn't the WSOP main event, and the person doing the flashing wasn't Phil Helmuth. When I was watching this episode and he went off that dude for the KJ hand I thought to myself, "I would really love for someone to just say to him, 'You know what Phil? You're such a prick, whats say you and me go outside and I punch your mole-ridden face in?'". Or at the very least say something like, "If you think all these people and cameras will make me hesitate for one second before I punch you in the mouth you would be gravely mistaken." Basically I'd just love to watch him turn red and shut his hole after someone stands up to him.
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#8
10-20-2005, 03:38 PM
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Re: Poker Etiquette by Phil Hellmuth
The guy's an egomaniac. His enormous success in the past has lead to an inflated ego which has seriously hurt his play in past years. His play has become based entirely on self-weighting decisions and has lead to catastrophe in the main event in the last two years. Seriously, with his top notch skills, he could have eaten up the field but instead busted out early.
The only reason he finished 2nd in the tournament of champions was because he got lucky and spiked a 6 on Chan. He still flubbed the heads up play against Annie Duke, which should have been a cake-walk for him. IMO, he puts too many chips at risk pre-flop with small edges, without considering the consequences to his stack and ability to continue on if he loses. For example, this year he re-raised with AQ against that one donk to put him all-in, without realizing the consequences to his stack if the donk got lucky or if someone behind him woke up to a hand (which someone did, QQ). IMO, the risk was to his stack was not worth the reward. I mean, seriously, the guy can play so incredibly, incredibly well after the flop why does he constantly insist on jamming the pot pre-flop if he has just a slight edge. I mean, I once saw him make a guy lay down trip jacks in the WSOP. How the hell do you make someone laydown trips heads up? I mean, Phil had two pair and he makes the guy lay down JT on a board of KJJ? That is incredible, incredible play. Phil should have busted on that hand, instead he makes a guy lay down a true monster. Given his incredible skill post flop which is 2nd to none, why does constantly jeopardize himself by getting it all-in preflop? This not jeopardizes way too much of his stack, but more importantly, takes away his ability to out play his opponent post flop, which is where his greatest advantage is. He's giving his opponents their best shot to beat him, by getting lucky. And they do from time to time. Not only that, but he leaves himself vulnerable to getting busted. With his top notch skill, the possibility of getting busted should be the one thing he avoids. No other player suffers as much detriment by getting busted as he does. What I mean is, what does it matter to a donk if he gets busted? Chances are, if he doesnt bust now he will inevitable bust later. It makes little difference to his overall result. But to someone like Phil, who has the skill and experience to chop down Douglas fir with a hatchet, why EVER jeopardize your chip stack with a small edge (the way a donk would) if you arent forced to? With his skills, even playing AA preflop against a smaller pair for an all-in raise isnt worth it. His skills and potential are too great to leaving it up to chance to take him out of the tournament. He needs to remain confident in his play but come down from that delusional grandiousity, stop griping about getting outdrawn, and let himself play his best game, which is post-flop, not pre-flop. -J
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#10
10-20-2005, 04:34 PM
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Re: Poker Etiquette by Phil Hellmuth
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Great post, and good advice for any strong postflop player. [/ QUOTE ] I noticed this year a lot of the pros finished in the money and I was thinking it was because of post flop play. Two or 3 years ago, they would be willing to go all in before the flop and now they are a lot more cautious knowing they can out play a poor player in later rounds. I remember seeing some pro (forget who) force Thomas Keller to fold trip queens because there was a king on the board. It was the tourniment Keller won in.
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